WAR OT enmity monger

[Flaris]

This has been grinding my gears for some time now. Why is it that whenever I mt and my ot is a WAR, they feel the need to be #2 on the aggro list. I look at the boss to see a newly applied Storm's Eye debuff and a Storm's Path no where to be found. I then look over at the War to see them spamming Storms eye combo, enmity combo, and of course trying to get the triple fell cleave by spamming all their stack skills..
Personally whenever im OT as a WAR i always try to keep those debuffs up and fell cleave in between.

[aleph_null]

Keeping storm's path up when it's not needed is a dps loss. However spamming butcher's block as OT is also a bad thing since it forces the MT to use their aggro combos (which are dps losses on pld/drk). Ideally you'll spam storm's eye and use storm's path when needed.

[bswpayton]

This has been grinding my gears for some time now. Why is it that whenever I mt and my ot is a WAR, they feel the need to be #2 on the aggro list. I look at the boss to see a newly applied Storm's Eye debuff and a Storm's Path no where to be found. I then look over at the War to see them spamming Storms eye combo, enmity combo, and of course trying to get the triple fell cleave by spamming all their stack skills..
Personally whenever im OT as a WAR i always try to keep those debuffs up and fell cleave in between.

whats worse is ots in like a 50 roullete that stay in tank stance and use butchers makes me have to stay in my tank stance to , but people love butchers block even its better to just eye.

[Ragology]

I believe OT wars use the butchers block combo because it has the highest potency. What they don't realize is that using using butchers block means that the Main Tank has to use their enmity combo more often, which means an overall dps loss when both tanks are combined.

[SyzzleSpark]

Luckily they are fixing this in 3 days by making the aggro combo a universal DPS loss across all tanks, so this issue will be a thing of the past.

Path is still lower potency but because it provides more Beast Gauge, its going to be a gain over Butcher's Block more than likely.

[aleph_null]

Path is still lower potency but because it provides more Beast Gauge, its going to be a gain over Butcher's Block more than likely.

It's not that simple actually. For example berserk has 20s duration and 60s cd, so you have 40s between consecutive berserks to build up gauge. In 40s you can do slightly more than 5 combos (possibly 6 depending on sks), so if we assume that you want 100 gauge for the subsequent berserk and 20 gauge to use upheaval (30s cd, so you can use one in every berserk and one between berserks), then you want to get at least 120 gauge between berserks. Getting 120 gauge in 6 combos is possible without path combo. Even if you do eye-path-path-eye-path-eye you'll generate 150 gauge, which leaves you with 30 extra gauge you can only spend on onslaught (fell cleave requires 50 gauge and is less efficient than upheaval in terms of potency/gauge). In that case you can probably do 1-2 butcher's block combo for some extra potency, while still having 10-20 extra gauge you can spend on onslaught.

However I don't have enough faith that most people will notice that spamming butcher's block is a dps loss if you lose upheaval usages. Some people right now use butcher's block even if they lose eye debuff uptime for 1-2 gcds.

[saber_alter]

whats worse is ots in like a 50 roullete that stay in tank stance and use butchers makes me have to stay in my tank stance to , but people love butchers block even its better to just eye.

the simple solution to that is to let them have hate. if they don't learn their lesson, then obviously they want to be MT

[BorisDaBlade]

And now the pld dps rotation is tied to the no aggro riot combo, but the war dps combo is still BB? I think SE is trolling.......

[Areic]

How do you not hold aggro? The PLD/Drk in my static never loses aggro and I constantly shift back and forth between eye/BB, and thats with him using most his higher DPS abilities.

As long as you're in tank stance and they're in deliverance, you should hardly lose aggro at a very minimal dps loss if any

[Claire_Pendragon]

And now the pld dps rotation is tied to the no aggro riot combo, but the war dps combo is still BB? I think SE is trolling.......

Storms Path is going to be the main means to build up wrath come 4.x, so it may have higher potency, but it doesnt allow more fell cleaves.

How do you not hold aggro? The PLD/Drk in my static never loses aggro and I constantly shift back and forth between eye/BB, and thats with him using most his higher DPS abilities.

As long as you're in tank stance and they're in deliverance, you should hardly lose aggro at a very minimal dps loss if any

You answered your own question. You're not spaming butcher block, you're using other skills.
(plus the tank can drop tank stance if they have enough lead in threat.)