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  1. #21
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    Tanya Fierlaine
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Yeah all of the level 68 traits are very lackluster and far too rng dependent for taking up a major leveling skill. Flat reductions to each of the affected skills would have been better for all 3 of the classes honestly. The best of the three is likely hyper lightspeed since it is a guaranteed proc that synergizes well with another trait in their kit, but as stated above its still really bad lol.
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    Rubiss Tantegel
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsTanya View Post
    Yeah all of the level 68 traits are very lackluster and far too rng dependent for taking up a major leveling skill. Flat reductions to each of the affected skills would have been better for all 3 of the classes honestly. The best of the three is likely hyper lightspeed since it is a guaranteed proc that synergizes well with another trait in their kit, but as stated above its still really bad lol.
    Yeah I really hope they change it to a flat CD reduction. This RNG nonsense can stay with AST and MCH, thank you.
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  3. #23
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    Shiru Elysia
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    The only time i could see that RNG Trait for Aetherflow as a bad thing is for Extreme and Savage content.

    Basically to heal correctly on this content, you make plan on what heal you can do at which moment.
    And for scholar, knowing when to use some AF Stack to heal and when to dps.

    Having a RNG Trait will mess up this organisation. You might have more AF Stack at some tries, or others less, and it "forces" you to still use your last AF stack before getting new one.
    At first, it looks cool to have a chance to have more stack, but Tactician don't rely on chance.

    The free succor proc from Sacred Soil isn't the same cause it's a just a little gain on mp. AF is one of the central part of scholar's gameplay.
    So YES, i agree that this trait sucks and that they should rework it and make a permanent trait (maybe not for AF)
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  4. #24
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    Crystal Skye
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustensaft View Post
    It's not a "bonus", because in 99% of all scenarios, you won't see any benefit from it.

    -snip-

    The Devs completely failed at designing these cooldown reduction traits. They're neglectable gameplay wise and effective wise. That's also true for White Mage Lillies and the Assize/Asylum reduction trait.
    This man speaks the truth. Quickened Aetherflow is really weak design wise and will very rarely see much effecitve use due to the gates on both RNG and the natural inclination to save at least one aetherflow stack until the last few seconds before refresh.
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  5. #25
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Good or bad, I think the real problem is that like the WHM Lily effect it's all based on RNG and RNG is bad for healing. No healer wants a tank who spikes constantly, healers are the same. They require stability.
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    Ven Black
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    It gives SCH more spontaneity. A chance to have Aetherflow more often, and increase your throughput. They're fine without it as they've always been, this gives them a some chances to be more than fine. It's not like you're generally starved for stacks (and if you need to burn through all your stacks on lustrates you have a different problems)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Good or bad, I think the real problem is that like the WHM Lily effect it's all based on RNG and RNG is bad for healing. No healer wants a tank who spikes constantly, healers are the same. They require stability.
    Cure 2 will always award a Lily (as per the latest information given). And isn't it 50% for Cure 1?
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    Last edited by Averax; 06-13-2017 at 11:00 AM.

  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Averax View Post
    It gives SCH more spontaneity. A chance to have Aetherflow more often, and increase your throughput. They're fine without it as they've always been, this gives them a some chances to be more than fine. It's not like you're generally starved for stacks (and if you need to burn through all your stacks on lustrates you have a different problems)



    Cure 2 will always award a Lily (as per the latest information given). And isn't it 50% for Cure 1?
    If you consider a free stack of aetherflow an average of every six minutes to be spontaneous and exciting you can do that. I'll be over here looking at it critically and realizing that it's not some quirky little fun skill. This takes up the slot of something that could actually be more useful. I don't fully get why some people are being complacent here. Like do you people not understand basic math? This is actually a garbage skill which is poorly designed.
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  8. #28
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    Seolla Viltara
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubiss View Post
    If you consider a free stack of aetherflow an average of every six minutes to be spontaneous and exciting you can do that. I'll be over here looking at it critically and realizing that it's not some quirky little fun skill. This takes up the slot of something that could actually be more useful. I don't fully get why some people are being complacent here. Like do you people not understand basic math? This is actually a garbage skill which is poorly designed.
    Almost all the new traits are pretty poor, honestly. It's pretty apparent they're running out of creative ideas for class abilities given we're only getting three new skills this time around, though seeing as how they're also reducing further to just a single new dungeon every other content patch (instead of two dungeons per patch), I've a suspicion that rather than gaining back the staff that went to work on FFXV they've instead lost even more members to other projects.

    I would have thought they were taking a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach, but that's obviously not the case given bane and aetherize reductions, cross-role ability selection, and the lilies and confession mechanics in general.
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  9. #29
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    Raja Vamberaux
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Well it's nice to see people finally coming around to see how shitty of a trait this is. I calculated weeks ago that in average raid scenario this amounts to only one or two stacks in good conditions, or an effective reduction of Aetherflow to 54s. Who the f*ck cares when fights are planned out. Hopefully people will continue chiming up about how much SE missed the mark with these ability changes and makes serious adjustments in 4.1
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I'd prefer a 20% chance of not using an aetherflow stack when you use one of the moves. A free Energy Drain, Lustrate, Sacred Soil, or Indomitability isn't gamebreaking, but it sure as hell would feel amazing.
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