Watching the Bahamut summon gave me an idea...

[Vallhallix]

Ever getting new egis is highly doubtful, the entire reason DWT even exist is most likely due to the fact they didn't want us to have new egis, so they thought of a way around that. Doubt they'll go back on that now. All I want concerning egis is possibly a remodel, and an icon change from the carbuncle ones.

[BillyKaplan]

Ever getting new egis is highly doubtful, the entire reason DWT even exist is most likely due to the fact they didn't want us to have new egis, so they thought of a way around that. Doubt they'll go back on that now

The lore reason for the Trance was that we weren't strong enough to summon Egis of stronger primals. But now we get, albeit for a limited time and locked behind the Trance - a Bahamut summon. From a lore perspective, they lost any reason not to give us all other Primals in the game. Join this with the recently introduced Glamour system and they're really without reason to not give us new Glamours, at least. Not new Summon mechanics, no. But way I see it, there's nothing keeping them from, say, giving us a level 60 SMN quest that unlocks Shiva, Ramuh, and Levi glamours, and a 70 one that gives you the Warring Triad if you beat them - but I know that one is wishful thinking.

[Vallhallix]

The lore reason for the Trance was that we weren't strong enough to summon Egis of stronger primals.

Not quite, it didn't have much to do with not being strong enough, because if that were the case, drawing power from Bahamut (one of the strongest primals) and using his ahk morn and teraflare should have been impossible. In my mind that takes more effort than a pickachu sized egi. To reinforce this, the ascian in the quest is even in awe that the summoner's mortal body was not destroyed by the trance alone like it was a huge feat. The lore reason was that each summon was consuming the SMNs own aether, and we already had 3. It wasn't that we weren't strong enough for ramuh. That's the very reason they came up with drawing power directly into the summoner to bypass the limitation of having egis hog up our individual aether. It'll be kinda silly if they go back on that. Unless we kill another summoner and our trainer is like ''you have absorbed all his aetherz now you can summon unlimited egis!'' It would be less silly had they not already established the fact that summoners of old used the same techniques to bypass the egi limitation.

I'm curious how the actual SMN quest will turn out. My theory is that the Bahamut summon is actually just a visual representation of the SMN being uber deep into the trance that all the bahamut aether around just manifest itself in his form. I would not be surprised if that were the case.

I just hope for more trances, hopefully an alexander attack next

[BillyKaplan]

Not quite, it didn't have much to do with not being strong enough, because if that were the case, drawing power from Bahamut (one of the strongest primals) and using his ahk morn and teraflare should have been impossible.

Your chara trained and improved since then, it makes sense that you'd be capable now of things you weren't before.

To reinforce this, the ascian in the quest is even in awe that the summoner's mortal body was not destroyed by the trance alone like it was a huge feat.

Well your chara is still a monster strong enough to make Thordan wet himself and not just because of his old age, so.

The lore reason was that each summon was consuming the SMNs own aether, and we already had 3.

The first is a yes, sort of, the second is a no. You never summoned more than one Egi at a time so it only consumed so much aether. How many you could summon didn't change that. But you still needed a certain amount of aether to summon and maintain an Egi, and any Primal after the first three would require too much aether relative to how much you had at the time, leaving you dry. The Trance was a means to bypass that restriction by making the most of the summoner's limited aetherpool. But by letting us have a Bahamut summon - which already goes against your reasoning, because we're not supposed to have more of those? Not only is that our 4th, but a big one - we have clearly surpassed that restriction, even if we can still only manage it for a limited time. Maintaining a lesser Primal's Egi should be much easier, even with your proposed theory.

And, as mentioned before, we're getting more Glamours. That's confirmed. And I doubt it's just more colored Carbuncles.

[Vallhallix]

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SMN isn't a saiyan lol. If the SMN's abilities worked like that of a BLM and WHM that'd make sense, BLMs can use surrounding aether. If all we had to do was train, then what was the point of the trances to begin with. SMNs ability to summon and maintain it relies on their own aetheric reserves, their life force. The summon cannot be greater than their own life force, their summoning abilities are finite. Hence the need for using the trances. So unless SMN falls into a pool of aether and gets more ''life force'' or is handed some from some mystical being, it makes zero sense.

What could make sense is that after going into DWT twice SMN draws enough power from Bahamut's essence that he is able to summon him briefly. But that would be with the assistance of drawing from the trance, and SMN would still have that limit as they're using Bahamut's energy to make up for their finite reserves. But that makes a lot more sense.

How much do you want to bet the next glamour will be diamond? Don't get your hopes up.

[BillyKaplan]

And realized the footage you're looking at is done with a level 70 character and in i290 gear... and the damage is so weak it can't even compare to the current damage level at 60th in i270...

Complaining about footage from a month+ old build where they constantly stressed that the numbers if nothing else are liable to change before the xpac ever released. Ok.

If all we had to do was train, then what was the point of the trances to begin with.

Overcoming a specific block at a certain point in time given an immediate threat we could not train our way around.

The summon cannot be greater than their own life force

They can improve their access into that power, their control.

[Silverquick]

Complaining about footage from a month+ old build where they constantly stressed that the numbers if nothing else are liable to change before the xpac ever released. Ok..

Well right now you better hope so... because what you're actually looking at in that video is level 60 damage coming from a level 70 character...

And that's not a good thing my friend. It bears out the mega nerf the Tooltips were showing.

Right now we're all hoping the Tooltips are a complete mistake... OR at the very least they change their minds prior to launch...

[Dyvid]

Ever getting new egis is highly doubtful, the entire reason DWT even exist is most likely due to the fact they didn't want us to have new egis, so they thought of a way around that. Doubt they'll go back on that now. All I want concerning egis is possibly a remodel, and an icon change from the carbuncle ones.

Well hopefully with Demi-Bahamut, SE if finally making a change on their stance. Most of the community agreed that a Hume size Egi would be big enough, though personally I like Titan and Ifrit Egi design. It wasn't SE didn't want us to have new pets, it's they couldn't figure out what the new pets could do that old ones couldn't so we got glamour instead. Fine, but SE needs to start delivery then on new glamours if that is the case, IMO anyway.

Given Bahamut's role within this game specifically, their hands are tied when it comes to making any primal his equal. Shiva, Ramuh and Levi I see more as Glamours, like Dyvid said. But that makes me think, despite my initial statement - Bahamut glamours? Alexander is a given, being a raid boss. He also has an attack that visually could replace Akh Mourn. But personally I'm leaning more towards the Warring Triad. I'd be very happy to have them as regular glamours (Seph for Titan, Sophia for Garuda, Zurvan for Ifrit) but they were all ancient primals who were contained in the same way as Bahamut and were said to be capable of creating Calamities as well. So I wouldn't personally mind to see them as Bahamut glamours either, lore-wise.

Will any primal has that ability given time and thralls. I believe Leviathan almost destroyed Limsa Lominsa once. Anyway for mean my list for Egi Glamour is as follows:

Tank: Leviathan > Thordan > Sephirot
Melee: Shiva > Ravana > Zurvan
Ranged: Ramuh > Bismark > Sophia.