Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Mature]

The fact that healers who do not do any DPS even when there is no real need to heal for substantial periods of time during combat, they are poor players who come across as lazy?
That is a fact, regardless of if healer DPSing is mandatory or not.

That's just your personalopinion and not a fact. I play with different healers even on raid and I'm not even bothered if they DPS or not as long I'm not dead or the party gets killed. I will NEVER call them lazy that's just disrespectful and poor.

Like I said if you're not comfortable about not wanting to dps you should leave the party and find a party where the healer wants to do what you want them to do. Or even better create your own PF asking for "healer DPS" only.

Move on and be happy

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Finally caught up to the current posts...




The argument is mislabeled.

The argument shouldn't be 'Healers should dps'.
That is misrepresenting the argument that most of us 'pro-dps' people are stating.


The problem we have is when players, not just healers, aren't using skills.
It's just highly visible when a healer does it, and they refuse to use any of their damage skills.


They then sit idle for however long it takes for someone to take enough damage that they need to heal them, or they keep healing people when the heals aren't necessary.
Overhealing is wasteful.




I still believe that every player should try to use every gcd on a useful ability to the group.
I understand that sometimes mechanics happen.

If a group is taking so much damage that it requires constant healing just to keep everyone up, then that's fine as well.

My side of the argument isn't that healers should be dpsing.
It's that players should be using skills beneficial to the group when their gcd comes up.

[GDFletcher]

Yoshida: We consider the leveling activities like instanced dungeons and end-game content like raids separately. We'd like people to be able to use healers in a more casual sense in instanced dungeons. With that in mind, we made a point of simplifying the role. On the other hand, you're really asked to push the role in end-game content. And in reality, it's likely that you'll need to look at elements besides just healing in those situations depending on your job composition and the skill level of the members. I understand very well that there are players who enjoy and have been doing well with the stance switching to attack and immediately back to healing. However, rather than changing stances back and forth, now you can use that spare moment for other role actions you might have set. I'm not saying you'll be doing a lot more things than before with the new role actions, but that will definitely be an area where players can improve.

https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/13...ew-Translation

[Lelila38]

In my experience Ffxiv is a very very easy game on most parts. It's true, in "normal" content, as a dungeon run, heal dps is a nice to have, but in no ways required. If our healer contributes to dps while keeping everyone alive, I give him my comm for playing his class better than average players I meet. If he doesn't, I don't care and the run just takes a little longer, no biggie.
It's a different story in savage Alexander and extreme primal
Here I consider healer dps as a boon to the party, that can't and shouldn't be neglected. It makes the fights not only faster, but is the little bit of additional power that makes the party skip mechanics or even win the fight. But people who run that kind of content seriously usually tend to do their best at maximising their performance, so healers in there usually do dps whenever their time and mp allow it.

[Belhi]

https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/13...ew-Translation

Not really sure of the relevance of that, particularly since he mentions using Role skills and healers have no dpsing Role skills.

Also doesn't change what was said in the Mr Happy interview.

[TheRealMadruck]

In my experience Ffxiv is a very very easy game on most parts. It's true, in "normal" content, as a dungeon run, heal dps is a nice to have, but in no ways required. If our healer contributes to dps while keeping everyone alive, I give him my comm for playing his class better than average players I meet. If he doesn't, I don't care and the run just takes a little longer, no biggie.
It's a different story in savage Alexander and extreme primal
Here I consider healer dps as a boon to the party, that can't and shouldn't be neglected. It makes the fights not only faster, but is the little bit of additional power that makes the party skip mechanics or even win the fight. But people who run that kind of content seriously usually tend to do their best at maximising their performance, so healers in there usually do dps whenever their time and mp allow it.

THIS! This literally goes to the heart of the matter! Not forced or expected....but done as a person wanting to help the party push content!

[Karathix]

healers have no dpsing Role skills.

... Cleric stance?

Like it's bad (if it's just 5% for 15s) but it's still a DPSing role skill.

I'd still rather things hit harder and i needed to be healing more.

[MomoOG]

The discussion shouldn't be about whether someone is healing, tanking or dpsing. It should be about whether they are pressing a GCD whenever one is available on a practical level. If you are not and everyone else in your party is then you are being lazy compared to them. I don't see how this simple concept can be so hard to grasp.

[Mature]

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But that's not what we are talking about in this thread. You as misleading people. What we are talking about is that DPSing as a healer is not mandatory regardless if you think is lazy or not.

People needs get around and accept and simple fact

If you gonna go and be a healer make sure you heal your party as intended. If you wish to DPS , please do. If you wish not to DPS that's absolutely fine as long as your main job as a healer has fulfilled it's purpose.

This is something so simple to understand that people seemed to think that DPSing as a healer is mandatory when it's clearly NOT.

at the end of the day if you not happy about it. feel free to drop the party and find another group where the healer does what you want them to do.

[Remus]

Why wouldn't you DPS? The enemies in dungeons hardly hurt the tank and you have so much time to do stuff. They even got rid of stance dancing now so what is the reason for not DPSing at this point? Yes your intended role is to heal but if there is nothing to heal then what? Stand there until the tank loses 4% of his/her hp?

Don't be silly why not contribute a bit more on the DPS side to make the run go quicker. If you use holy the enemies get stunned so the tank won't even take damage anymore and with regen they will get their health back. Saying you won't DPS and only heal now makes you sound very lazy in my opinion when you could do more but you are choosing not to do more.