DRK is going to be Nerfed in Stormblood

[LeoLupinos]

DA increases 140 potency on everything, exept AoE. So, nothing changed.

[Daniel_Fury]

And BN is a dps loss if you use it more than 3 times, because it is a GCD not an oGCD like C&S

BN is an OGCD with a 15s cd.

[Decederes]

BN is an OGCD with a 15s cd.

This was already addressed earlier. Better to read the entire thread than to find something wrong and instantly feel the need to correct it, imo.

[Daniel_Fury]

This was already addressed earlier. Better to read the entire thread than to find something wrong and instantly feel the need to correct it, imo.

I don't see this being corrected since your post but I could have missed that.

I actually agree to an extent that BN usage is a dps loss, outside of grit. For the cost of DA, you get 380 potency, at the sacrifice of pushing all your skills a gcd ahead. This means for every 3 BN's, you lose an entire soul eater combo for the cost of 3 DA's, as you stated earlier.

I do feel if you're in Grit, this would be an increase to an extent. However, this will push syphon strike further away allowing less mp regeneration over the duration of an encounter.

[SyzzleSpark]

I don't see this being corrected since your post but I could have missed that.

I actually agree to an extent that BN usage is a dps loss, outside of grit. For the cost of DA, you get 380 potency, at the sacrifice of pushing all your skills a gcd ahead. This means for every 3 BN's, you lose an entire soul eater combo for the cost of 3 DA's, as you stated earlier.

I do feel if you're in Grit, this would be an increase to an extent. However, this will push syphon strike further away allowing less mp regeneration over the duration of an encounter.

380 is still greater than the average PPGCD of an unbuffed Souleater combo, even factoring in SS's MP return. BN is only a DPS loss if it doesn't break.

Even if you factor the half-DA that SS returns as more than 70 potency (averaging between the 350 increase for C&S) it still only comes out to 340 PPGCD. A BS attained through any means at all is always a DPS gain even factoring in delaying the combo, with the sole exception of a scenario in which it leaves you without MP for C&S.

150+250+280=680
680/3=226
2400MP=140pot
1200MP=70pot
226+70=296
380>296

2400MP=(140pot+350pot/2)=245
1200MP=122.5
226+122.5=348.5
380>348.5

If you consider 2400 MP as strictly a C&S:
350/2=175
226+175=401

So if C&S is coming off cooldown and casting BN to get a BS will rob you of the MP to DA it, this is the only time that BN or BS are ever a DPS loss.

If you factor in these DA/SS potencies prior to the PPGCD average, these numbers are even more damning to the idea that BN is a DPS loss. Its a gain. Outside of Grit. Inside Grit, its even more of a gain.

No idea if all this + the Darkside buff is going to make up for the other stuff they gutted from us like Reprisal/LB/Scourge but I am hopeful.

[Falar]

Surely it won't, considering the revert back to STR only along with now being locked to VIT accessories.

[Daniel_Fury]

150+250+280=680
680/3=226
2400MP=140pot
1200MP=70pot
226+70=296
380>296

2400MP=(140pot+350pot/2)=245
1200MP=122.5
226+122.5=348.5
380>348.5

If you consider 2400 MP as strictly a C&S:
350/2=175
226+175=401

So if C&S is coming off cooldown and casting BN to get a BS will rob you of the MP to DA it, this is the only time that BN or BS are ever a DPS loss.

No idea if all this + the Darkside buff is going to make up for the other stuff they gutted from us like Reprisal/LB/Scourge but I am hopeful.

If you're not using grit, it works out as a 10 potency loss per BN+BS used together.
3* 380 = 1140 potency.

For a SE combo:
680+ 420 (3 dark arts (mp saved on not using BN)) + 70 (Syphon Strike)= 1170 potency.

You can also argue that by using SE combo, you generate 1/5th of a natural bloodspiller. That's roughly 74 potential potency.

[Virin]

We also don't know how much the new sub stat increases damage or mitigation. People seem to forget there is a whole new tenacity stat. I would imagine someone had the idea to test out what the damage and mit looks like with the skill changes and added stat bonus... How about we play and see what happens

[SyzzleSpark]

680+ 420 (3 dark arts (mp saved on not using BN)) + 70 (Syphon Strike)= 1170 potency.

The bolded part makes no sense because if you had that MP but were not using BN you would use it on SS or SE or both; you can't count that MP in favor of one but not the other. Its about GCD potency and whether delaying SE actually hurts your DPS, which it doesn't. If you had that MP to spend, you would spend it. There is no saving MP on DRK, unless its for C&S, which I factored in my calculations and it still didn't make SE's PPGCD better than BS.

To put it more directly, MP potency isn't an issue, because if its strictly MP potency that we're addressing, a broken BN shield's MP potency is 380, whereas those 3 DAs you "saved" only have 140 a piece over x number of DA-able GCDs. So the question is whether the delaying of the GCDs for that 380 potency is a loss over continuing with the SE combos. The MP you're saying was saved isn't a net gain, it just gets spent on another source, lest you cap out.

Naturally generated BS is certainly a gain, and I'm not seeing the math that says BN-generated BS is not a gain as well. That's not to say it should be spammed, but I think holding it when you know the shield will be broken were you to cast it is inefficient.

[Daniel_Fury]

The bolded part makes no sense because if you had that MP but were not using BN you would use it on SS or SE or both; you can't count that MP in favor of one.

If you can always guarantee that you'll be able to DA SS, SE, C&S and even pop DP on the cases that you don't have slashing up, I would consider the BN a dps gain otherwise you can bank it and even use it on natural Bloodspillers or those moments you didn't have mp to dark arts your GCDs for increased damage over the encounter.

Even at a 10 potency loss, it's still worth using on cd providing it will break imo as 10 potency trade for a 10% shield is a tiny cost.