Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Mimilu]

For many, trying equates to doing their job. In the case of a healer, healing.

Not if they are emote spamming, jumping around, or chatting, only throwing the odd heal out when need be. Hell, even over-healing and wasting their MP is a bad. During most of the base-content in this game, like Dungeons, a tank or DPS doesn't need to be healed if they are at 75% or higher HP unless a tankbuster is coming or there's a mechanic.

[ShanaShirayuki]

And of course when even the game director says it's not mandatory, people resort to being childish about the situation instead of just ending it..

Yoshida also thought that the 2.0 warrior was fine, effectively telling people to "git gud" despite the fact warrior was measurably worse than paladin. He signed off on bowmages. He agreed to Diadem. The man is not infallible.

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[Yahallo]

This person knows what's up!

En Garde!

Your horn vs my rapier! Forum Style!

I would posit that the Vanu dance is VERY important to the success of the team however, it should REALLY be the Manderville dance as any true healer would know. ^_^

Feel the wrath of my great sword style! Though I should work more on my card games on chocobos style; now that is a deadly and fun style! Forum Fantasy XIV for GOTY?

Also, the Sun Drop Dance is for striking fear. The Mandervile Dance inspires your allies while striking fear upon your enemies on account of the sheer manliness that you exude while performing it! Dance as only a true Mandervile Man can!

Real talk though, people should just understand that healers are intended to deal DPS when healing is not needed and they have to accept that if they don't DPS they run the risk of being kicked for difference in play style. If people have to accept that healer dps is not mandatory then they also have to accept that said healing only healers run the risk of being kicked and said kicks being justified by the current game rules.

Or not, I kind of want to ride this thread to page 100 and beyond!

[Khaoticsuccubus]

Actually, I'm pretty sure most "solo" content has NPCs that fight and stuff, so if offensive spells were there just for that then... that's kind of surprising. Hall of the Novice (or whatever), heck and even the CNJ storyline basically tell you that you should DPS during downtime. People have even said that boss fights and such have set mechanics, unless you push too much. With all this information, it literally does not make sense that healers shouldn't DPS. But oh well. I'll just be a healer so that I don't come across lazy healers :P

Oh please, everything in this game is going to have some sort of lore explanation for its existence. Even glamour does. I would most certainly not take that as the game telling healers to dps.

And what solo content are you even speaking of? Cause the solo I'm speaking should obviously be open world, fates, hunts, and leveling in general. I assume you mean class quests but, those are more to teach you how to use your spells in general than to teach a role. Healer class quests are bad in that regard anyway as they usually have someone else healing instead.

[Fyce]

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Don't bother. That person already told me that PotD was solo content, even when in a 4-man party.
When you have to twist reality itself around to fit your views, then it's pointless to debate. Of even hope to have some kind of logical exchange.

Earth is flat. Climate change is a chinese hoax. Etc.

A lot of people in this thread really believe that all a healer as to do is heal to fulfill their role. They will be adamant about it. Nothing you can say will make them think otherwise. There's "heal" in "healer", so that's the only thing they should do. They don't care about being active, or even being credit to team. As long as nobody dies, they think it's fine. Heck, I'm pretty sure that even if someone dies, they'll argue that they have a rez skill for a reason.

So, again, better just to ignore them and kick them if you end up in a roulette with them. There's no debate to have. We are talking to a wall.

[Khaoticsuccubus]

Feel the wrath of my great sword style! Though I should work more on my card games on chocobos style; now that is a deadly and fun style! Forum Fantasy XIV for GOTY?

Also, the Sun Drop Dance is for striking fear. The Mandervile Dance inspires your allies while striking fear upon your enemies on account of the sheer manliness that you exude while performing it! Dance as only a true Mandervile Man can!

Real talk though, people should just understand that healers are intended to deal DPS when healing is not needed and they have to accept that if they don't DPS they run the risk of being kicked for difference in play style.

Or not, I kind of want to ride this thread to page 100 and beyond!

Thrust, Thrust, Parry!

A true Manderville Man you are. ^_^

You know, ironically enough, while I may not agree with the pro-healer dps crowd, I do dps as a healer on the blue moon's I hate myself enough to play one. If only cause I like to see their aoe ;P I even have every dps skill macro'd so I can use them without untargeting the group <tt>. Ofc cleric stance is still cancer though so I'll be happy to get rid of it.

And it is rather entertaining to see how fast this thread has grown lol.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

would they be expected to heal others as well as deal damage? .

This is why people trying to say RDM using Vercure when it's needed it's a good thing. 9/10 times they'll tell the RDM to /sit and let the wipe happen rather than try to recover from dead healers. Hell, people don't even try to recover even though PLD has Clemency! People would rather just wipe at 12% than try to pull out a win.

[Khemorex]

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So, again, better just to ignore them and kick them if you end up in a roulette with them. There's no debate to have. We are talking to a wall.

the through is , that apart from the minority on the forums , no one really cares :P what a random healer does in a dungeon

good day to you sir!

[Yurimi]

Not if they are emote spamming, jumping around, or chatting, only throwing the odd heal out when need be. Hell, even over-healing and wasting their MP is a bad. During most of the base-content in this game, like Dungeons, a tank or DPS doesn't need to be healed if they are at 75% or higher HP unless a tankbuster is coming or there's a mechanic.

I remember someone said they were kicking me for emote spamming instead of doing things :/ I was sad because that was the only way to remove their damage taken up debuff the gremlins (/comfort) put on them and I wanted full pulls to the end and they were pretty bad at using cooldowns
Please remember some emotes are useful and not just for show

[Arkdra]

Stuff

Shadewalker solves the tank problem, thankfully.

I don't expect perfection, I expect effort. People standing around doing nothing for multiple gcd's in a row are worthless, regardless of how smooth the run is going and also, just to be clear, of their role. Specifying since I've seen too many sub-1k dps and not pushing buttons often enough is always the culprit of that particular problem.