Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Fyce]

I just got to post..... if healer dps is completely optional..... how would a 4 person healer pug team in potd ever be viable????

CureI CureII: {Hello!}
Pure Healer: Salut !
Healer Onlyheals: Hi
Youdont Paymysub: o/
...
Pure Healer: lol que des heals
Healer Onlyheals: What?
Youdont Paymysub: 4 healers, great... thanks Yoshi-P
CureI CureII: So, how are we supposed to do this?
Healer Onlyheals: What do you mean?
CureI CureII: Well, we have to kill stuff to progress, right?
Youdont Paymysub: no lol
Youdont Paymysub: that's not my role
Youdont Paymysub: im a healer dude
Youdont Paymysub: dps is for dps
Pure Healer: y a des français ?
Healer Onlyheals: Same for me, I don't even have DPS skills on my bars
Healer Onlyheals: But I can draw cards, can that helps?
CureI CureII: I don't think so...
Pure Healer: oups g marché sur un piège qui fait spawn des mobs lol
Healer Onlyheals: What is that baguette saying?
CureI CureII: he walked on a trap that spawns mobs I think
Youdont Paymysub: ill start healing him
Youdont Paymysub: ...
Youdont Paymysub: oh god i have aggro
Healer Onlyheals: Don't worry, I'm here, I'm gonna heal you!
CureI CureII: And I'm gonna heal you too! It's my job after all, none of you will die today!

... Later ...
... Way later ...
... On the same floor ...

...
00:07
00:06
00:05
Youdont Paymysub: atleast nobody died
00:04
00:03
00:02
CureI CureII: Yeah, good job us
00:01
Healer Onlyheals: We did what our role was about, this game is badly designed
00:00
Pure Healer: personne est français lol ?

[Arkdra]

I don't believe you for a second. You'd be finished a run in the time you'd be waiting even if the healer wasn't dpsing.

I have plenty of junk to be doing in game that isn't carrying lazy healers through content and even if I set aside the plethora of available in game content I can do while queued, I've got a 2nd monitor and my ps4 is in the same room as my computer. Long queue times have never bothered me *stares off into the middle distance, remembering 3 hour frontlines queues back around 3.2.*

[Yahallo]

YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS take that you pseudo elitists!! XD
Now you can do nothing to stop a healer not dpsing, NOTHING, this is so EPIC. Try to kick the healer now LOL.

We can and people will; it's considered difference in play style which is a valid reason to kick even if it is not listed under the list of reasons.

The ONLY reason they even have dmg spells is to be able to solo, something very important in today's mmo world.

No, the reason why they have damage spells is to be able to contribute to the DPS. They are intended to DPS when healing isn't necessary; the Hall of Novice supports this idea. They are simply not required to do so when clearing content. There's a huge difference between something being not mandatory and something being not intended. It is intended but not mandatory that healers DPS.

Oh that is a good point! He is so out of touch with the community, he did not know he was opening the Pandora's box.

I don't think this is a case of him being out of touch (if anything, the development team made it easier for healers to DPS, therefore supporting Healer DPS; not to mention that statement made in the Hall of Novice). This is probably more of a neutral stance he has to take due to his position, sort of like his stance with parsers. He cannot publicly support the use of parsers, but it doesn't seem like he is personally against them, maybe even personally supportive of them. He actually does seem to understand how important parsers are to the raiding community, he just can't officially support them. He just can't officially support one play style over another.



On a completely unrelated note, I just noticed all of my silver medals turning into one gold medal! Yay!

[Khalithar]

Players are going to do what they want in the end, DPS or don't DPS as a healer, I don't personally care. But people taking anything the devs say as gospel is rather alarming, this is the same devs that said "there is no optimal rotation" which is blatantly false.

I get what the pure healers are trying to say, I really do. But to me, saying you're honestly going to stand there and do nothing while waiting for someone to take damage just seems so boring, especially when you're sitting at >95% hp, the tank and dps aren't taking damage, and the pull is dragging on.

[missybee]

Beautiful things

I actually had this same thought the other day. I am glad that you went ahead and made a fleshed out version - it was wonderful.

[Mimilu]

Correction: a few people on a forum that has always been out of touch with the general userbase of the game are questioning how in-touch he and the dev team are with the game proper.

Because, thankfully, this forum has never been representative of the game's userbase, which is usually much nicer and more welcoming and accepting that the angry bunch posting here.

Can you honestly say that while looking at what they've shown use with WHM so far (even with the Cure II Lily buff)?
The Devs don't seem to understand their own game or how it is actually played (the meta), just how they intended it to be played.

Now you can do nothing to stop a healer not dpsing, NOTHING, this is so EPIC. Try to kick the healer now LOL.

You can still kick people for differences in playstyle, so long as you voice it in chat first... >w>
Yoshi-P's "intention" don't control the game's meta.

[Khaoticsuccubus]

I will still kick you if you stand around and do nothing but wait to heal, differing play styles is still 100% a valid reason to kick people, if you do not want to conform to the group's strategy you need to leave.

And I will always reject said kick. Unless the healer flat out can't keep anyone alive, there is no reason to kick them.

Oh, they won't quit, but they might decide to play one of those flashy new DPS jobs. People complain about how DPS queues will be long because we got 2 DPS in the expansion, but then completely forget the fact that it is vital to make healers and tanks as appealing as possible to compensate.

Healers across the board have had too many strikes, no new healer is strike 1, WHM being bad is strike 2, and now this attitude of Yoshi Ps (which contradicts the design of content) dividing the community is strike 3, that's a bit much controversy considering how important it is for players to continue playing healer instead of trying the brand new expansion jobs.

Meh, we'll live.

A large part of the reason I play dps, besides that I love to dps, is that I don't get instant ques. Yes, you heard me right, I DON'T want instant ques lol. Reason being is it gives me a chance to work on other things while I wait.

Besides, dungeons ques aren't the only way to level these days. PotD might be a sack of crap but, it's a useful sack of crap. ;P

Endgame? No, I don't believe for a second the new dps classes will effect endgame que in the slightest.

[kattzkitti]

It brings me endless amusement seeing all these salty DPS players bawl their childish little eyes out over this.

[missybee]

It brings me endless amusement seeing all these salty DPS players bawl their childish little eyes out over this.

K.

If you actually check people's information, those who advocate healer DPS tend to either be healers themselves, or at least have healers leveled. You can keep thinking that though.

[Khemorex]

Dude let me tell you, if I had an option to select a queue for my dungeon roulettes that only queued me in with healers who dps'd I would use that queue every single time as long as the wait time wasn't over an hour and a half. All the honest healers disappearing off the face of Eorzea would make me just as happy as can be. Now if we could get rid of the dps who insist on single target rotations in AE situations too, that would be the best.

if id had the option to not queue with people whos only purpose is to bitch around id happily wait 1h to XD now if we could get rid of all speed runners to that would be great :P