Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Erys]

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The thing is, in content that is "stressful" everyone works their hardest. Why? To reduce wipes, frustrations, unnecessary deaths, to spend less time on the training mill.
Why in the seven hells if stressful content makes people reduce the chance of stress, the people in casual/to relax content like story mode will do everything in their hand to make it last longer, make other people work harder, increase the chance to wipe due to frustration and spend far more time in said content? Isn't it suposed to be relaxing content?
I want to go in and spam doomspike, but I can't because healers are too lazy to drop a holy or two, the same way a tank won't be able to just abyssal drain or decimate/overpower and use a few cds. There's someone in that party that is effectively being carried. And it's about being respectful of others and their time, as a team you should put your team effort, not leech of the team.

[Fonkyama]

Calling a healer who doesn't dps lazy is just stupid. You have no idea how the other player is handling his/her job. Some healers are just focused on the HP bars and some find dpsing simply stressful. Is a healer who is capable of both better? Sure. But I honestly don't care if I'm gonna spend 3-5min more in a dungeon because of that. I see a healer dpsing as a bonus, not a requirement. As long as the healer keeps everyone alive, then he/she's done the job. If the healer went for the extra mile then all the better.

Comparing healers to lazy dps is just dumb. There's no such thing as a lazy dps, only bad dps. And if a dps is bad, then he/she's not doing his/her job.

Same goes for tanks. We all enjoy a tank who can stance dance and push extra damage. But if someone playing tank just focus on aggro, positioning and mitigation, I won't complain either. The tank job was done.

The only time you can complain about this philosophy is if you're part of a raid imo. In a raid you have formed a group who's expecting teamplay and you can request the best from your members. But keep your high expectations with you when you're dealing with strangers, or play with your friends if you cannot do that.

[KisaiTenshi]

They'll never give it a rest..Instead of simply agreeing to disagree. It's rather insult, complain, and drag the topic on to eternity. The reality is, people just don't like to accept that they're wrong. I remember another post where the person was simply giving a warning for something relating to the topic. No intention of it meaning to start another war. But sadly, it turned into the same thing. I try to end it, and somehow I'm the bad person lol

It's too hard for some people, particularly in the General forum to accept that Yoshi-P did in fact say that, and the changes to the healers reflect that, and yet they still believe they should be healing content with just regen alone and not cure. Yoshi-P clearly believes people should be using Cure I and Cure II as their primary healing tool, and if this meta argument from raiders keeps being brought up every time a change to the game is made, the raiders are going to be in for a shock when they can't faceroll content because they never learned to play the game as the producer believed it would.

They tune all content for the minimum ilevel for a reason, if someone has somehow fudged that ilevel by having a high level PotD weapon and under ileveled armor, then that's a game design oversight. They know players will try anything to clear that content because of wanting to have the first clear on that content, but it's not designed for healers to DPS. That's a bonus if you have the right static team. Trying to get that from PUG's is not going to happen. Players attempting these dungeons for the first time tend to have the most powerful gear that they can get, not the minimum. That slack already exists. The Savage Raid content is hard for a reason.

I'd post a video of exactly how I play regular content, but it takes several hours to upload a usable video and my internet is useless while things upload, and I'm not wanting embarrass other people I party with by dragging them into this silly argument, so that adds another 2 hours of encoding to mask everything that people will be distracted by.

[TheRealMadruck]

No content* there is some times where you need parts or a phase where you can't DPS, and it is a healer's job to learn them (I did)



sorry, I will not accept 1 APM in my parties, healers should not be exempt from putting effort in playing, it is an insult to those that do.



Asking people to put effort when they play is not telling people how to play it is asking for teamwork. Stop promoting lazness.

Then stop promoting your opinion as the required consensus of everyone. YOU ARE WRONG! No matter how you spin it...it does not change that fact!

[Vrahjin]

Yoshi says healers shouldn't be expected to DPS ---> Makes a design choice that'll make people expect healers to DPS more

This made me giggle.

Do I actually care if healers DPS or not? No, but I don't actually run anything above 24-man. And I'm usually the healer, and I like throwing stones.
I'm also coaching my friend who's leveling a healer how to stance dance. And they're really looking forward to not having to stance dance anymore.

Can't we all just agree that as long as you're doing things with randoms.. just roll with it? Keep to enforcing things in statics/pre-mades.

You will never, ever be able to convince everyone to do it your way (whether that be healing healer only or DPSing healer).
Let 'em know DPS can be fun (and in 4.0, way easier) but if they don't cave.. meh. Just plow through the dungeon and be done with it.

[Watachy]

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Dude you're saying healers should not DPS, you're the man with the wrong opinion here.
As people said, stop promoting lazyness, we have already too many lazy snowflakes out there

[Gumbercules]

Think people are choosing to use this "in their favor". To me it just sounds like he is saying the design leaves room for no healer DPS, at no time does it read like "healers shouldn't DPS" If you are pushing content, having a healer that can weave in DPS will probably still net faster results/clears, this just means that your healers not pushing DPS doesn't bar you from your eventual/potential clear of said content.

[Hamada]

Why can't players just say "This is my opinion on what I think it should be done" instead of "You are wrong if you do not do it this way" when it is clearly being told the facts on actual game design? When did someone's opinion automatically become the required consensus of the entire player base when it is stated that Healer DPSing is not a Game Design?

Because saying healers never need to DPS because it is optional IS WRONG:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgM...youtu.be&t=557
Because i requires such low effort. It is an insult to everyone putting in effort.

weird they change the text when I did the quest on an alt recently

It's too hard for some people, particularly in the General forum to accept that Yoshi-P did in fact say that, and the changes to the healers reflect that, and yet they still believe they should be healing content with just regen alone and not cure. Yoshi-P clearly believes people should be using Cure I and Cure II as their primary healing tool, and if this meta argument from raiders keeps being brought up every time a change to the game is made, the raiders are going to be in for a shock when they can't faceroll content because they never learned to play the game as the producer believed it would.

They tune all content for the minimum ilevel for a reason, if someone has somehow fudged that ilevel by having a high level PotD weapon and under ileveled armor, then that's a game design oversight. They know players will try anything to clear that content because of wanting to have the first clear on that content, but it's not designed for healers to DPS. That's a bonus if you have the right static team. Trying to get that from PUG's is not going to happen. Players attempting these dungeons for the first time tend to have the most powerful gear that they can get, not the minimum. That slack already exists. The Savage Raid content is hard for a reason.

I'd post a video of exactly how I play regular content, but it takes several hours to upload a usable video and my internet is useless while things upload, and I'm not wanting embarrass other people I party with by dragging them into this silly argument, so that adds another 2 hours of encoding to mask everything that people will be distracted by.

It is also too hard to ask you to think and respond to what people say about healers and if they should dps or not, a reply is waiting:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4182033
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4181168

[TheRealMadruck]

Dude you're saying healers should not DPS, you're the man with the wrong opinion here.
As people said, stop promoting lazyness, we have already too many lazy snowflakes out there

YOSHI P STATED AND I QUOTE "I firmly believe that it should not be mandatory(Healers DPSing) and we do not have the expectation for them to dps!" HOW IN THE HECK IS THAT MY OPINION WHEN IT WAS HIS STATEMENT!?!?! That is beyond goofy! Wow!

[Evergrey]

Just make friends with healers that aren't lazy and run premade groups.
No one can expect that everyone in pugs will play their best.
There will always be lazy people, even if the classes are not "designed" for it.