We're all DDs now >.>

[Feidam]

That actually has nothing to do with the pro-dps argument though, and we would all agree with you that they are a bad player just as much as a healer that doesn't DPS.

I'm not sure I agree 100% here. If the meta wasn't healers must dps or be labeled bad we would see much less of the problems here. Sure some players are just not very talented but I think the current mindset of what healers should do regarding dps exacerbates the issue. Also, keep in mind most people over gear the content currently which allows for the healers must dps mentality.

[Lambdafish]

I'm not sure I agree 100% here. If the meta wasn't healers must dps or be labeled bad we would see much less of the problems here. Sure some players are just not very talented but I think the current mindset of what healers should do regarding dps exacerbates the issue. Also, keep in mind most people over gear the content currently which allows for the healers must dps mentality.

So whats the alternative? The DPS argument works on a priority system of Heals > Mitigation > DoTs > DPS are you suggesting that we change that to Heals > Mitigation > Idle?

Btw, I don't think its been said, but if you are experienced with the game, spotting the difference between a lazy player, a new player, and a bad player is easier than you might think.

sorry to say, but i wouldnt aggre for that, a healer not DPS =/= bad player
sure, if healer can DPS and healing at the same time make it luxury or a pro player. but flat out sayin all healer is bad bcause not DPSin is kinda... too over i think

Come stormblood you won't even have cleric stance to contend with. I think the barrier of being a pro player is higher than throwing out a DoT during the 30 seconds that the tanks HP barely changes. I am in no way a pro healer, my healing ability stops around HM primals and NM raids and even I spend the majority of my time in cleric. Its not player skill that puts people in cleric stance, its the low difficulty tuning of content.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

So whats the alternative? The DPS argument works on a priority system of Heals > Mitigation > DoTs > DPS are you suggesting that we change that to Heals > Mitigation > Idle?

Btw, I don't think its been said, but if you are experienced with the game, spotting the difference between a lazy player, a new player, and a bad player is easier than you might think.

My rule of thumb for potential lazy healers without any third party programs:

1. Has Cleric Stance ever been turned on?
2. Have they remained active and not idled during various portion of the run?
3. When selected, does their cast bar show Stone/Aero/Combust/Broil?
4. Has the tank and/or DPS taken higher damage than otherwise common for that particular dungeon/trial/raid?
5. Are they new or announced their inexperience DPSing?

If the answer to all these questions is no, you have found a lazy healer. And you can generally pinpoint this within the first minute.

[Feidam]

So whats the alternative? The DPS argument works on a priority system of Heals > Mitigation > DoTs > DPS are you suggesting that we change that to [I]Heals > Mitigation > Idle

i don't disagree here as it is what I usually follow when healing. That is not say that there is a good number of healers who have been brought up in the more healer dps meta that prioritize healer deeps. Part of the blame could be palace of the dead leveling too though now that I think about it. My personal play style aside I would just rather have a "lazy" healer than one that constantly tunnel visions into dps or forces pot use any day.

[Lambdafish]

I would just rather have a "lazy" healer than one that constantly tunnel visions into dps or forces pot use any day.

Why are they mutually exclusive? I'd rather have neither.

The answer to the title is "Yes, we are all Damage Dealer." Here's a rule that apply to all jobs.
There's always a Gcd/Ocd skill that's need to be pressed.

I have always said: "We are all damage dealers, but we are not all DPS"