We're all DDs now >.>

[KisaiTenshi]

Now explain again why you feel healers have no room to dps and is a myth?

*eyeroll*

1) The dungeons and raids are designed to be played with the roles you signed up for. Tank, Healer, DPS.
2) The dungeons and raids can be completed with everyone having the minimum ilevel. That might be hard. They would not design something to be impossible, so clearly the dev team can do it.
3) If you're playing the roles exactly as prescribed, then those duties go by fairly quickly.
4) The only way to know what the healer, or anyone's DPS is by violating the game's TOS with unauthorized tools.

So. There is no requirement, nor has there ever been a requirement for healers or tanks to DPS assuming the minimum level/ilevel is met, nor has there been a requirement not to. Now obviously there are ways of fudging this like tanks wearing DPS gear or healers wearing caster gear that has the wrong secondary values on them, and that is likely not something tested for.

As content ages, people become overleveled, so level sync gives players playing lower level content too much of a leg up. Same with gear. All the challenge is sucked out of the game when wearing the highest ilevel gear makes it a faceroll.

I'm pretty sure you, or anyone else doesn't spend 40 consecutive days playing every combination of job and dungeon just so they remember how to do it on that job~. No I'm pretty sure most players play just one or two jobs and the rest is just was just for achievements/bragging rights and were never actually played at the minimum ilevel.

[missybee]

*eyeroll*

I think y'all might make more progress talking to a literal brick wall.

That being said, even at minimum ilevel, there should be down time for healers. Maybe not during large pulls, but at the VERY least during bosses. No one is asking to be carried by healers. We just want everyone in the party to contribute equally.

With regard to needing a parser to know whether or not the healer is attempting to DPS - what even?

It isn't a secret when healers are casting and/or they go into Cleric Stance. Even come 4.0 with the Cleric Stance changes, we can still see their cast bars and rocks hitting the mobs.

[Aramina]

I think y'all might make more progress talking to a literal brick wall.

It's less about talking to Kisai and more about talking around her to people that may actually listen to that garbage and not know any better.

[Lambdafish]

It's less about talking to Kisai and more about talking around her to people that may actually listen to that garbage and not know any better.

This is the thing that worries me. Stupid is just annoying when isolated, however stupid becomes dangerous when there is a possibility of it being listened to.

[Ama_Hamada]

It's less about talking to Kisai and more about talking around her to people that may actually listen to that garbage and not know any better.

This, I said something like this to someone in the horror story thread too. I said something on the likes of why didn't you tell the person off saying you where not healing when you where doing all the healing and still dps here and there? the answer was something on the lines of "they would not listen anyway" so my reply to that was "It does not matter, the goal of saying something is not for that one person, but the other 6 there. If you said something, it is very unlikely they would kick you. Sometimes people follow others for no reason and easily manipulated."

[Aramina]

this is all because of WoW players who crept into FF14

The game that doesn't require, encourage, or have nearly as much downtime as here causes this?* You are going to have to explain your logic on that one.

*Outside Mythic raiding and/or Mythic+ dungeons.

This, I said something like this to someone in the horror story thread too. I said something on the likes of why didn't you tell the person off saying you where not healing when you where doing all the healing and still dps here and there? the answer was something on the lines of "they would not listen anyway" so my reply to that was "It does not matter, the goal of saying something is not for that one person, but the other 6 there. If you said something, it is very unlikely they would kick you. Sometimes people follow others for no reason and easily manipulated."

Yep. Aditionally, if you don't stand up for yourself they may well think whatever the other person said was true. :P

[KisaiTenshi]

I think y'all might make more progress talking to a literal brick wall.

That being said, even at minimum ilevel, there should be down time for healers. Maybe not during large pulls, but at the VERY least during bosses. No one is asking to be carried by healers. We just want everyone in the party to contribute equally.

With regard to needing a parser to know whether or not the healer is attempting to DPS - what even?

It isn't a secret when healers are casting and/or they go into Cleric Stance. Even come 4.0 with the Cleric Stance changes, we can still see their cast bars and rocks hitting the mobs.

OH REALLY~?

So tell me how these so called "I have more DPS as a healer than the DPS characters" people are keeping track of these numbers then? Are they frame-by-frame counting everything they see while playing the dungeon they are recording? Absolute nonsense. There is a website out there that people have been using to log their parsers, and they are not shy about using them.

The cleric stance or rocks hitting the mobs doesn't tell you anything about zero-cast's like benediction, assize and tetra, or anything swiftcast'd. It's easy to tell when the healer is doing healing because half the things they can do are HoT's and have indications that hey are active. You don't know if they threw Stone III once or 20 times during that encounter unless you were parsing it.

So please, all the people I see arguing for healers to DPS and bragging about how good they are at it, are almost guaranteed to be using parsers.

[Lambdafish]

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As a tank myself, I think I know when a healers heals hit me, and as the regen is placed on...... me, I kinda know which HoTs are being used and how much downtime the healer has. I know what heals they do because I watch them. I don't have a parser, especially when I play on my PS4, and I still know what you are doing, funny that.

Your replies are getting more and more hilarious, keep it up :P


Edit: forgot to mention that all abilities, even bene, tetra, and assize have animations, its not hard to work out, especially when the it is being used on me.

[Kitfox]

The cleric stance or rocks hitting the mobs doesn't tell you anything about zero-cast's like benediction, assize and tetra, or anything swiftcast'd. It's easy to tell when the healer is doing healing because half the things they can do are HoT's and have indications that hey are active. You don't know if they threw Stone III once or 20 times during that encounter unless you were parsing it.

Stone 3 has a castbar. And just like HoTs, the Aeros also have DoT timers. Holy, Assize and Aero III are pretty hard to miss just because the animations are massive. While the exact number might be hard to tell, it's pretty easy to tell the difference between zero and something.

It's much harder to tell what the DPS classes are doing, especially melee, although you can still follow their buff management. Healers and Casters are easy because of the castbars.