DRK is going to be Nerfed in Stormblood

[TheRealMadruck]

They were already holding aggro before, they were already mitigating before, they are 100% tanks. Not having grit on doesn't all of a sudden make one INSTANTLY lose aggro and die. If I'm tanking the boss, if I'm taking the hits, if I'm surviving the damage then I'M the tank and no one can say otherwise. You are, 100%, objectively, wrong.

It's not even a slight against you specifically. It's just factually wrong.

As I said....that is based all on your biased opinion on what your playstyle is. I consider you philosophy to be incredibly shortsighted based solely that you do not consider the communities generalized playstyle vs your own! I believe you have a right to voice your opinion....but understand one fact, what I feel and what you feel makes no damn difference in the end. SE will redesign any job they feel does not meet what they consider the correct playstyle. I have my own qualms about SE....but even I admit to this fact even if I disagree with it!

[Praesul]

As I said....that is based all on your biased opinion on what your playstyle is. I consider you philosophy to be incredibly shortsighted based solely that you do not consider the communities generalized playstyle vs your own! I believe you have a right to voice your opinion....but understand one fact, what I feel and what you feel makes no damn difference in the end. SE will redesign any job they feel does not meet what they consider the correct playstyle. I have my own qualms about SE....but even I admit to this fact even if I disagree with it!

It is not an opinion. If I'm playing a blue icon job, have the boss' attention, am using mitigation cooldowns, then I am the tank. This is fact. There is no arguing otherwise.

[TheRealMadruck]

It is not an opinion. If I'm playing a blue icon job, have the boss' attention, am using mitigation cooldowns, then I am the tank. This is fact. There is no arguing otherwise.

Praesul, lets leave this amicably...let us agree that we both disagree. I hope you still play Dark Knight after SB drops and take care.

[FallenWings]

As I said....that is based all on your biased opinion on what your playstyle is. I consider you philosophy to be incredibly shortsighted based solely that you do not consider the communities generalized playstyle vs your own! I believe you have a right to voice your opinion....but understand one fact, what I feel and what you feel makes no damn difference in the end. SE will redesign any job they feel does not meet what they consider the correct playstyle. I have my own qualms about SE....but even I admit to this fact even if I disagree with it!

Personally, I see nothing more short sighted than the belief that a skill should be called "Tank Stance" and that not being in said stance makes you any less a tank.

I personally prefer to play beyond the bare minimum required to clear content and do more for my group with appropriate skill usage. Looking at some of your other posts, you seem to be under the impression that Grit makes you 100% more durable and grants healers Triple DPS uptime when that clearly isn't the case at all.

For a meager 20% damage reduction, you as a Dark Knight, lose upwards of 40% personal damage due to not only natural grit penalty but the loss of Blood Weapon. Your healer doesn't get 20% more damage as it doesn't simply work that way. If anything, healers, especially in this game, that are worth their salt will barely notice a difference if you use your actual, costless defensive cooldowns appropriately. They already have hots ticking on you, they have a plethora of instant off the GCD heals and their basic cure potency can chunk your hp from 1 -100 in no more than 2-4 casts. What you lose over your entire attack uptime, can never be made up by a healer receiving at best, one additional Stone 2 cast.

I'll never understand the idea that the "proper" tank fantasy should be a walking shield with moderately annoying lights that pose no real threat to their enemies.

I personally prefer a tactically trained holy knight, a ruthless black knight of the abyss, and a battle-crazed barbarian over that. But that's just my personal opinion.

[Falar]

As I said....that is based all on your biased opinion on what your playstyle is. I consider you philosophy to be incredibly shortsighted based solely that you do not consider the communities generalized playstyle vs your own! I believe you have a right to voice your opinion....but understand one fact, what I feel and what you feel makes no damn difference in the end. SE will redesign any job they feel does not meet what they consider the correct playstyle. I have my own qualms about SE....but even I admit to this fact even if I disagree with it!

But he is correct.

Tanking means holding aggro. If he is holding aggro, he is performing the job's role.

A bad tank will just hold aggro, and that's it.

A good one will maximize his dps while doing it.

More DPS will always help in any situation, so people will always be seeking to maximize it even if it is not their primary role.

[Claire_Pendragon]

But he is correct.

Tanking means holding aggro. If he is holding aggro, he is performing the job's role.

A bad tank will just hold aggro, and that's it.

A good one will maximize his dps while doing it.

More DPS will always help in any situation, so people will always be seeking to maximize it even if it is not their primary role.

On a side note, I personally disagree with a "tank" being summed up as threat holding.
I'd sum them up as making the healer consume less MP (only to the point of not running out, any remaining MP could have been spent in DPS if the tank wasnt dieing too quickly)

My reason stems from MMOs where some tanks didnt have threat moves, and other classes had to make the boss focus on the tank.

BUT I will make an exception to FFXIV, due to positionals, and DPS checks.
So it's roughly equal in both "enough threat" (too much is pointless), and "enough mitigation". (if the tanks DPS is enough to help with DPS checks, and the healer wont run out of MP, any extra MP the healer has is wasted.)
Even more so with all DPS getting a quelling strikes now, and OTs gaining the ability to threat dump onto the other tank.