DRK math for Media Tour information

[aqskerorokero]

Just for clarification, Pld gets only skills that it deserves, and that war and drk already got.

To me the situation between 3 tanks now on info is like "rock paper scissors", no tank can be better than one and be better than other one. More fair compare to 3.x

[MiniPrinny]

Just for clarification, Pld gets only skills that it deserves, and that war and drk already got.

To me the situation between 3 tanks now on info is like "rock paper scissors", no tank can be better than one and be better than other one. More fair compare to 3.x

What exactly is this rock, paper, scissors relationship anyway? Because what I see is two pairs of scissors and a single rock. Dark Knight and Warrior are both offensive tanks, which should be fine. But, both Dark Knight and Warrior lack the two things that Paladin has: utility, and now damage, assuming these values remain mostly the same. (Never thought I'd say that.)

Both Dark Knight and Warrior currently have one confirmed utility ability each. Warriors have Maim, which is a slashing debuff. Maim is unfortunately not as valued, since only Dark Knight and Paladin benefit from it now, and only if there isn't a Samurai or Ninja in the party, since both Ninjas and Samurai apply slashing resistance debuffs in their main rotations now.

Dark Knights on the other end, have the Darkest Night as their sole confirmed form of support. The Darkest Night, for all intents and purposes, is an adloquium-type effect. This works considering Dark Knight's flavor, lore, and all that, it functions as a polar opposite of Clemency. However, this is far from an ideal ability, since it can be self-cast and is tied to the Dark Knight's damage output, reducing their strength as support and causing this move to be used on cooldown, as stated.

This leaves Paladin with a venerable monopoly on support abilities. They have Clemency, which functions as a "Cure II;" Divine Veil and Passage of Arms are both incredible party-wide mitigation abilities; Intervention in many ways is a better Cover, while Cover is nothing to laugh at either; and this is to say nothing of their remaining monopoly on GCD crowd control, which seems to find a home in every expansion.

Additionally, Paladins possess an iron wall of defensive tools. Passage of Arms functions as a second Sheltron, which is already now a second Rampart; Sentinel is still stronger than both Vengeance and Shadow Wall; Bulwark is stronger for burst damage than the "new" Anticipation, and always was stronger for burst damage than Dark Dance; and do I even have to mention how disgusting Hallowed Ground is when compared to Holmgang and Living Dead?

So please, inform the crowd, what exactly do Paladins not do that Dark Knights and Warriors do?

[eagledorf]

Sentinel is still stronger than both Vengeance and Shadow Wall [...] and do I even have to mention how disgusting Hallowed Ground is when compared to Holmgang and Living Dead?

To this point, I always felt the shorter CD on Vengeance made it superior or at least equal to Sentinel, though I agree that Shadow Wall is clearly substantially weaker that either of them. I feel similarly about the three invincibility skills.

Likewise, DRK really is the odd one out for mitigation in general. They lack the burst self-healing that WAR and PLD have as well. I've felt that DRK was poorly designed since 3.0 and PLD's woes in raids had largely to do with SE making them hit very weak and including a lot of magic to accommodate their flawed new tank. For example, the tank damage in A4S actually hit basically the same as T13 normal and was all magic. In dungeons and in DPS, PLD suffered it's own obvious design flaws, but that's another story.

[Mahono]

Just for clarification, Pld gets only skills that it deserves, and that war and drk already got.

To me the situation between 3 tanks now on info is like "rock paper scissors", no tank can be better than one and be better than other one. More fair compare to 3.x

The issue is not what PLD got, "When something is not broken there is no need to fix it" DRK and WAR shouldve been left untouched if this is what they had in mind. Imo PLD got improved, kudos to that but there was no need to bring down the other 2 tanks while buffing PLD