Is it just me or are people overreacting to WHM too soon?

[Yallaid]

It's kind of absurd almost how little faith people have in the devs. Like they seem to think they just arbitrarily do this and that to a job, and don't actually use and experiment with it themselves in-game when developing those changes.

tell this to the players of 2.0 WAR, 3.x PAL, 3.0 AST, and 3.x BRD.

each of those classes gave feedback concerning problems with the way the classes had been designed and how that played out in the context of different dungeons and raids. This feedback was valuable enough that the devs took it under consideration and made major changes to each of those jobs. So why shouldn't I be giving my feedback again?

[Ayer2015]

tell this to the players of 2.0 WAR, 3.x PAL, 3.0 AST, and 3.x BRD.

each of those classes gave feedback concerning problems with the way the classes had been designed and how that played out in the context of different dungeons and raids. This feedback was valuable enough that the devs took it under consideration and made major changes to each of those jobs. So why shouldn't I be giving my feedback again?

People should give their feedback. Its just the claims people are making are overblown. I see people stating lilies are useless because they don't use Cure/Cure 2, which is the foundation of all three healers. If you're spamming medica and medica 2, you'd be oom in no time.

[joannaluttrell]

People should give their feedback. Its just the claims people are making are overblown. I see people stating lilies are useless because they don't use Cure/Cure 2, which is the foundation of all three healers. If you're spamming medica and medica 2, you'd be oom in no time.

Medica/MedicaII are not analogous to Cure1/Cure2, Regen is. So you are saying people should use a casted spell when an instant cast hot is enough?

[Ayer2015]

Even with regen use, you're still using cure/cure 2. I've played all 3 healers and they generally all play similarly enough.
If the argument is Regen is enough to cover the healing needed, you should be DPSing anyway.

[joannaluttrell]

Even with regen use, you're still using cure/cure 2. I've played all 3 healers and they generally all play similarly enough.
If the argument is Regen is enough to cover the healing needed, you should be DPSing anyway.

Now you are catching on. If you are DPSing you gain no lilies so what is the point of them? Are you saying it is a good thing to have a mechanic that during normal play will be IGNORED? Do any of the other healers (or hell, even classes) deal with that? No.

[Ayer2015]

Now you are catching on. If you are DPSing you gain no lilies so what is the point of them? Are you saying it is a good thing to have a mechanic that during normal play will be IGNORED? Do any of the other healers (or hell, even classes) deal with that? No.

You are basing you're argument on lilies not procing sufficiently enough without even trying the job in practice. If the rate under-tuned it will get changed.

[Yallaid]

People should give their feedback. Its just the claims people are making are overblown. I see people stating lilies are useless because they don't use Cure/Cure 2, which is the foundation of all three healers. If you're spamming medica and medica 2, you'd be oom in no time.

You've misunderstood then.

People are saying that lillies are confusing/unnacceptable because you are incentivized by the mechanics of the WHM job to MINIMIZE how many Cure/Cure 2 you throw out there. Of course you use them, but why would you tie a new system to the 2 spells that every other one of your tools is designed to take the place of in certain contexts.

I've asked this question to multiple nay-sayers, when the raid is hit by an attack striking all 8 players, should I cast Medica I to bring them all back to health efficiently or should I cast Cure to try and get more lillies. This is an awkward decision to have to make and is replicated among each of the non-Cure spells that WHM has access to. This is the problem we are trying to bring attention to.

[SaitoHikari]

You've misunderstood then.

People are saying that lillies are confusing/unnacceptable because you are incentivized by the mechanics of the WHM job to MINIMIZE how many Cure/Cure 2 you throw out there. Of course you use them, but why would you tie a new system to the 2 spells that every other one of your tools is designed to take the place of in certain contexts.

I've asked this question to multiple nay-sayers, when the raid is hit by an attack striking all 8 players, should I cast Medica I to bring them all back to health efficiently or should I cast Cure to try and get more lillies. This is an awkward decision to have to make and is replicated among each of the non-Cure spells that WHM has access to. This is the problem we are trying to bring attention to.

This is PRECISELY it.

The lily system actively discourages WHMs from using all of their other skills to their fullest potential. No other job has such confused design with their primary mechanic. The rest flow - WHM's doesn't. And when comparing all the jobs together, it's fairly clear that little time or effort was spent on WHM compared to, say, Astrologian or Bard (though the amount of effort on the latter was justified considering they got completely overhauled, BECAUSE their population dropped like a rock after their -first- overhaul, of which the original Wanderer's Minuet also happens to be about as slapped on as this lily mechanic from a design standpoint).

[Ayer2015]

snip .

If the current proc rate of lilies proves to be insufficient it will likely be changed down the road. We'll see once we get our hands on the job in 2 weeks. I just find people are minimizing just how often cure/cure 2 is actually used.

[MomomiMomi]

If the current proc rate of lilies proves to be insufficient it will likely be changed down the road. We'll see once we get our hands on the job in 2 weeks. I just find people are minimizing just how often cure/cure 2 is actually used.

They're really not used often at all unless if you don't know how to efficiently use your other spells and abilities.

WHM has it even weirder because they have Tetragrammaton AND Benediction, spells that are direct replacements to Cure and Cure II, and those abilities don't give you lilies. They reduced the cooldown on Benediction to boot, so that means even less Cure/Cure II required.

It's badly designed, plain and simple.