[dev1033] Ideas for a Two-Tier Class System: Jobs on Top of Weapon Specializations

[Cairdeas]

I think they should be independently leveled.
One getting SP and the other getting JP.
Also no single weapon class should be specialized to a single Title. So you could raise Beastmaster while training Archer Weapon Class and use your pet to hold a monster while you shot it at range.

[Gath]

I think they should be independently leveled.
One getting SP and the other getting JP.
Also no single weapon class should be specialized to a single Title. So you could raise Beastmaster while training Archer Weapon Class and use your pet to hold a monster while you shot it at range.

That has the potential to cause a balance issue. It will end up being everybody being with their title, and using a different class which is not "optimal" to that title at all together, and it will end up everybody being the same again. Like Having SMN have it's summons and using all archer abilities. If you say there is an optimal weapon for each title, then that throws out the whole customization with titles and classes that was theorized in the OP.

[Cairdeas]

That has the potential to cause a balance issue. It will end up being everybody being with their title, and using a different class which is not "optimal" to that title at all together, and it will end up everybody being the same again. Like Having SMN have it's summons and using all archer abilities. If you say there is an optimal weapon for each title, then that throws out the whole customization with titles and classes that was theorized in the OP.

I was refering mainly to limiting certain weapons to certain titles. Instead If your skill favors your Job Title you get to use it at 100% effectiveness if your using it out of favor you can only use it at 50%.

[Gath]

I was refering mainly to limiting certain weapons to certain titles. Instead If your skill favors your Job Title you get to use it at 100% effectiveness if your using it out of favor you can only use it at 50%.

That could work, but you need people to be limited to certain area levels with mobs. Everybody would level a BST to max rank if it means they can solo everything with that title and just level their weapon specialist to leech off of the BST. Unless they limited the title level with that of the weapon specialist level. Then, maybe it would work out. Then again it would take away the grouping aspect of the game when they implement more, and we know they're going to.

[Carpe]

Unless they limited the title level with that of the weapon specialist level.

If this really became a balance issue then maybe having your job title rank sync somehow with your weapon class rank like you're suggesting would be a possible solution.

Personally, I think a lot of the balance questions are hard to really think about without having some play testing and looking at some charts and numbers. If it really became a problem they could always limit titles to only using certain weapon classes, but I think for now I'd like to think of them having a more open system.

[Gath]

If this really became a balance issue then maybe having your job title rank sync somehow with your weapon class rank like you're suggesting would be a possible solution.

Personally, I think a lot of the balance questions are hard to really think about without having some play testing and looking at some charts and numbers. If it really became a problem they could always limit titles to only using certain weapon classes, but I think for now I'd like to think of them having a more open system.

I know, a numbers game would have to be played with before balancing issues would be visible, but if you don't use your optimum weapon and abilities, a hindrance on them could be a way of taking away the offset balance issue.
I mean, actual physical testing would have to be done to see how this would pan out, but in theory and on paper it seems like a 99% legit and subtle way of implementing the titles to the class system while adding game play mechanics to the game and making people want to so more than what the average game lets you do. This system would be totally new and actually fun to play with. Hell, it would even attract a good base of players who are looking for the "different" leveling/grind "fad"

[Akumu]

I think they should be independently leveled.
One getting SP and the other getting JP.
Also no single weapon class should be specialized to a single Title. So you could raise Beastmaster while training Archer Weapon Class and use your pet to hold a monster while you shot it at range.

Having freedom like this would really make this game stand out for the ps3 release. All beastmasters wouldn't have to be on the front lines. All Redmages wouldn't have to just stand back and cast magic(or in XI healing magic). One of the many flaws of FFXI with the subjob system.

Class uniqueness/Individual Uniqueness balanced and created with this system. This is system is what I always thought SE wanted with XI's system but the overall design was too flawed. Mainly since weapons had uneven levels and weaponskills being too powerful for some and weak for others. Which also was held back by not being able to cross class certain abilities and being limited to just one sub.