Thanks for the new mog station items!

[HyoMinPark]

It really bothers me, that some people feel the need to tell others they need to accept these overpriced items because they are optional. Seeing your other post, do you think the the mog station prices are overpriced? If not why?

Since there are so many of these threads, and I can't remember which one I posted my opinion of the pricing in, allow me to just repeat it: I think they could stand to not be so expensive. However, I don't really spend a lot of money on items, and, at the end of the day, this game and everything it entails (yes, even those expensive glamour items) are one of the things that I find enjoyable. The enjoyableness makes the items worth the cost to me. Because lately, my life has been filled with a lot of unenjoyable things, so if I want to splurge in something that is enjoyable, why not?

When you say "And it just really irks me that people here try to make those that buy from the Mogstation out to be terrible people. " What about those that are attacking people that think the price is too high, such why this thread is made? You can have a point of view without attacking people?

I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just saying that it's irksome reading all these people attacking those who want to buy from the Mogstation, and who act like the equivalent of doing so is like kicking a puppy. I don't think there's any reason for anyone to attack anyone. However, people get defensive when they're being attacked, and go on the offensive. That's human nature. I can't stop it. All I can do is ignore it. However, it becomes hard to do when I come on here and the New Post page is flooded with thread after thread about how terrible the cash shop and all those who support it are.

Did you ever think it would be nice if people did their part not to buy the overpriced items so they will not be overpriced anymore? I do not care how nice something looks, I do not need overpriced digital add-ons that is one per character.

Okay. That's fine if you don't need it. But some want it. Don't make them out to be awful people because they want to splurge. If you don't need it, why do you keep arguing with people that want to buy it? Why do you care so much what others do with their money? Does it affect you that much? Do you lose sleep over it? Why continue to argue?

Would it be nice if they were cheaper? Yes. Would it be nice if they were account-wide? Of course. Would it be like Christmas coming early if they were available in-game for free? Absolutely! But, the fact of the matter is, is that they are not. And SE is a business. Businesses know that there are people out there who will pay a lot of money for shinies. And I'm not talking about just SE here: they know this, so they provide the shinies. Because shinies for buyers means $$$ for the businesses. And that's just the way it is. For this to change would have to mean a very widespread boycott over several different types of shinies, not just digital content. Something that is very unlikely to happen, given how vain and how want-y (didn't really want to use "needy" here) human beings can be.

You're entitled to your opinion, but constantly arguing with people over it gets tiresome, don't you think? Trust me, I like debates. I debate frequently with a lot of people. But eventually, I get tired of repeating myself, so I just let it rest. At the end of the day, I cannot expect to change anyone's mind, or force people to agree with me.

Have your opinions. State them. Stand by them. But please. You don't have to shove them down everyone's throat, and reach post cap on two separate accounts just to continue arguing about them. And I'm saying this in the most polite way I can.

[Hamada]

Since there are somany of these threads, and I can't remember which one I posted my opinion of the pricing in, allow me to just repeat it: I think they could stand to not be so expensive. However, I don't really spend a lot of money on items, and, at the end of the day, this game and everything it entails (yes, even those expensive glamour items) are one of the things that I find enjoyable. The enjoyableness makes the items worth the cost to me. Because lately, my life has been filled with a lot of unenjoyable things, so if I want to splurge in something that is enjoyable, why not?



I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just saying that it's irksome reading all these people attacking those who want to buy from the Mogstation, and who act like the equivalent of doing so is like kicking a puppy. I don't think there's any reason for anyone to attack anyone. However, people get defensive when they're being attacked, and go on the offensive. That's human nature. I can't stop it. All I can do is ignore it. However, it becomes hard to do when I come on here and the New Post page is flooded with thread after thread about how terrible the cash shop and all those who support it are.



Okay. That's fine if you don't need it. But some want it. Don't make them out to be awful people because they want to splurge. If you don't need it, why do you keep arguing with people that want to buy it? Why do you care so much what others do with their money? Does it affect you that much? Do you lose sleep over it? Why continue to argue?

Would it be nice if they were cheaper? Yes. Would it be nice if they were account-wide? Of course. Would it be like Christmas coming early if they were available in-game for free? Absolutely! But, the fact of the matter is, is that they are not. And SE is a business. Businesses know that there are people out there who will pay a lot of money for shinies. And I'm not talking about just SE here: they know this, so they provide the shinies. Because shinies for buyers means $$$ for the businesses. And that's just the way it is. For this to change would have to mean a very widespread boycott over several different types of shinies, not just digital content. Something that is very unlikely to happen, given how vain and how want-y (didn't really want to use "needy" here) human beings can be.

You're entitled to your opinion, but constantly arguing with people over it gets tiresome, don't you think? Trust me, I like debates. I debate frequently with a lot of people. But eventually, I get tired of repeating myself, so I just let it rest. At the end of the day, I cannot expect to change anyone's mind, or force people to agree with me.

Have your opinions. State them. Stand by them. But please. You don't have to shove them down everyone's throat, and reach post cap on two separate accounts just to continue arguing about them. And I'm saying this in the most polite way I can.

Where are people attacking those that buy from the mog station? The only thing I see is people attacking those that disagree with the pricing "it is optional live with it" Making this thread to mock those that disagree with it, and making it obvious while doing so.. is not an issue to you? It does not bother you some people would like to have it and like your self would make them happier but it is too much for NO REASON?!?!?!?!?

Does not matter if SE is a business, with what they do to the pricing and how they handle inventory, it is a shady one at best. Why is my sub doubled for making up for a shortcoming of the game and have overpriced glams on top of it? Do you realize how high the cost is for retainers? on legacy for 6 months the retainers cost more then the sub itself.

https://youtu.be/WXA559KNopI?t=110

We are overpaying for items on a sub model!!! on top of renting space. If SE wants high short term gains but huge backlash in the long run, well that is a good way to ruin a business in the long run now isn't it?

https://youtu.be/FwI0u9L4R8U?t=165

If SE keeps going for the whales, it will not hold for the future, people will remember the resentment they felt when overpaying say now but in the future say maybe a future MNO by SE and not return.

Same can be said to you and the TC, " Have your opinions. State them. Stand by them. But please. You don't have to shove them down everyone's throat, and reach post cap on two separate accounts just to continue arguing about them. And I'm saying this in the most polite way I can. " That is exactly what I see when people make revenge threads like this, shoving opinions down people's throat and using the "SE is a business" to do so and the "they are not needed so it is ok to overprice them, I can afford them you can't hahaha"

I am not using 2 accounts for this matter, this is another attack by you on me (and kind of insulting since I was trying to help you in that DF story thread) I ran out of allowances trying to figure out why someone wants to be instant on that you need pure healing in this game when they can't experience anything from being i190. Who is shoving whos opinion down a throat again?

[HyoMinPark]

Where are people attacking those that buy from the mog station? The only thing I see is people attacking those that disagree with the pricing "it is optional live with it" Making this thread to mock those that disagree with it, and making it obvious while doing so.. is not an issue to you? It does not bother you some people would like to have it and like your self would make them happier but it is too much for NO REASON?!?!?!?!?

I don't feel like digging up the ridiculously long thread that appeared back when the Chinese outfits first hit the Mogstation, but there were several comments in that thread attacking people who bought the outfits, because we were "supporting SE's overcharging of virtual pixelated items in a subscription-based game" by purchasing them.

If we want to discuss people attacking those with differing opinions, what you're doing right now is considered an attack on me because I apparently "know nothing of the value of a dollar," because I do not share your view that Mogstation items are bad (apparently), and because I'm showing concern for those who attack people "like me" who buy from the cash shop. I do believe that the OP said that this thread was not a mockery, but a genuine thank you. If people perceive it as a mockery, then that's really on them for perceiving it as such.

I want to also add that your comment about those who "know nothing about the value of a dollar" and must be people that have never had money troubles, or had to live paycheck to paycheck, was an awful and terrible generalization, assumption, and an attack. Like I said in response to that before, who are you to assume such things about the people that post here? Who are you to assume that none of us know the struggles of not having any money? Like I said before, I had a period of time where I literally lived paycheck to paycheck. Where I barely made $260 USD a week working a full-time job. Where I had to drop out of school, and was unable to afford going back without taking out ridiculous student loans. Did you know any of that about me? No, you did not. So please, stop assuming that everyone who indulges in a little luxury in the form of pixelated items are just spoiled individuals who don't know anything. :/

Does not matter if SE is a business, with what they do to the pricing and how they handle inventory, it is a shady one at best. Why is my sub doubled for making up for a shortcoming of the game and have overpriced glams on top of it? Do you realize how high the cost is for retainers? on legacy for 6 months the retainers cost more then the sub itself.

It sounds to me like you seem to expect SE to just hand out everything for free just because we pay a monthly subscription. That's not the way life works. I may pay a subscription for a television service, but if I want any add-ons like game channels, movie channels, pay-per-view channels, super mega-ultra 4K HD channels, I will be expected to pay extra for them--extra for optional shiny items. Just like I would expect SE to expect me to pay extra for any optional shiny items. Businesses want to make money. I am certain that if you had a business, you would want to make some sort of profit off of it.

Others have said before that the cash shop directly funded the development of the EU Data Center. However, this tends to get overlooked, and instead people just want to focus on how the money goes into SE's pockets instead. Maybe not all the funds go back into FFXIV, but at least some went into those servers and that data center. Some probably also went into the NA server relocation, even if that was met with a lot of backlash as well. All I can do is hope that my buck will go back into making FFXIV and extra content for it. In-game, and optional. SE has to pay it's employees somehow, and I'm sure they get quite a pretty penny via subscriptions to FFXI and FFXIV alone, among sales for physical items like artbooks, the lore book, sountracks, etc.. But I think it's a little unreasonable for them to just be expect to hand out everything for free. Really, businesses don't need to give out anything for free. They could make us pay for everything related to FFXIV with real money. They could have just added the Songbird attire and emote to the cash shop rather than to the Little Ladies' Day event.

We are overpaying for items on a sub model!!! on top of renting space. If SE wants high short term gains but huge backlash in the long run, well that is a good way to ruin a business in the long run now isn't it?

If you are not buying items from the cash shop, paying for additional retainers, name change services, server transfers, etc., then how does this affect you? Are you trying to be a hero and spokesperson for all of those who oppose the cash shop? I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

Same can be said to you and the TC, " Have your opinions. State them. Stand by them. But please. You don't have to shove them down everyone's throat, and reach post cap on two separate accounts just to continue arguing about them. And I'm saying this in the most polite way I can. " That is exactly what I see when people make revenge threads like this, shoving opinions down people's throat and using the "SE is a business" to do so and the "they are not needed so it is ok to overprice them, I can afford them you can't hahaha"

Has it ever occurred to you that, perhaps, the OP made the thread to try and combat all the negative threads that litter the General Discussion subforum? I don't claim to know what the OP's intentions were with this thread outside of what their opening post said, which said that this thread was not to be intended as any sort of mockery. But if you insist on viewing it that way, be my guest.

You may disagree with the "they're optional items" view points and arguments others make, but that doesn't mean they aren't true. They are optional; they're not needed in any way for you to progress through the game, they're cosmetic (and the few items that have stats...people would be foolish to actually use them as substitute gear in the first place). No one is forcing anyone to buy them. SE is not holding a gun to your head and demanding you buy the Fuga Attire, "or else". Why are you acting like these items skinned your puppy? Why are you acting like a business shouldn't aim to make money? I really do not understand you.

Shoving opinions down everyone's throat is what you're doing: repeatedly posting them in response to everyone that disagrees with you in even the slightest. And using two accounts to do so with. Doesn't two accounts require paying two subscription fees? Why are you complaining about the cost of items if you're paying two subscriptions? Because, if you are, apparently paying double subs has some appeal and/or value to you. No one here is questioning what you do with your money. Why continue to question what others do with theirs?

If you want to continue to assume that I'm "just ok" with "shady business practices," then be my guest. I can't change your opinion. I know mine, and I know what I agree and disagree with. At the end of the day, I don't lose sleep over people not agreeing with me. I simply just eventually go on about my business.

[Hamada]

I do believe that the OP said that this thread was not a mockery, but a genuine thank you. If people perceive it as a mockery, then that's really on them for perceiving it as such.

It is mockery, it is proven in the first line. It is not a genuine thank you, it is just trying to hide behind that. This person is also known to ague to ague with me repeatedly just for the sake of doing so. It is very obvious with his true intent with the first line of the post, and someone else pointed that out.

Given what you stated with your past, I am shocked you would support the overpriced price gouging but that is your choice I suppose. The comment was more for those that are blatantly attacking people that seem to think we need to bend over and just accept anything they give us and bow down to them. However just because of the past of different posters does not mean that should be used for reason to lash out on me for saying the prices are too high.

I would not use T.V. service in a reference for this. It is well known the USA is price gouged though the roof for T.V. and internet, I am assuming you are in USA based on such comment. Regardless I get the point but I am not saying they should be free, I understand they are an extra, but with the price of sub, and retainers, those costs to us with that should be considered when pricing these extra items. I would be gladly to pay for them, even the emotes if they where price within reason. Otherwise one needs to question what stuff should e free (emotes) and what should the true cost for these items be because I know they take extra art design to make. If they where price better, they would make more sales and maybe encourage more making these extra items sine they have more money to fund them. They are just hurting everyone, even themselves with the high prices. With what the sales funded, again, I get that, but they would get more out of it price them within reason. Someone else even pointed out, Having 2 difference prices, oen for account wide, one for character will also go a long way. I am not anti - mog station, i am anti-overprice and exploitation of people. No matter how high the cost is, someone will buy the items.

If you are not buying items from the cash shop, paying for additional retainers, name change services, server transfers, etc., then how does this affect you? Are you trying to be a hero and spokesperson for all of those who oppose the cash shop? I'm not really sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

At some point people (i am right now) come to a point enough is enough. Why should I pay double my sub for a bad design (bad inventory programing) then on top of that, 9.99 for wtfast because of the server move because they can't code right for the clunky feel, then have these high cost items on top of it? At some point it seems they keep asking for money and not fixing base issues (game coding/inventory) I would give a lot to see those 2 issues fixed.

Has it ever occurred to you that, perhaps, the OP made the thread to try and combat all the negative threads that litter the General Discussion subforum? I don't claim to know what the OP's intentions were with this thread outside of what their opening post said, which said that this thread was not to be intended as any sort of mockery. But if you insist on viewing it that way, be my guest.

No hes not, he is a troll and someone that stalked me on a few occasions (bringing up personal issues with me in different threads where what he posted has nothing to do with the thread itself) and there just to ague with me. The first line even proves it was made as a spite thread, someone else even pointed that out before I did, He did not what you are claiming since you seem pretty biased as is.

The reason for the 2 accounts was to deal with the inventory issues, since 6 retainers = sub anyway and 2 subs has more value then 6 retainers (16 chrs, 32 retainers) but I leaned it is a pain to manage and I just want to see how it goes with SB, I might cancel everything because inventory management making this game unplayable. (trying to manage it costs too much time and money) Everyone has different limits with costs, I am near mine, I am sure others feel the same way.

[HyoMinPark]

It is mockery, it is proven in the first line. It is not a genuine thank you, it is just trying to hide behind that. This person is also known to ague to ague with me repeatedly just for the sake of doing so. It is very obvious with his true intent with the first line of the post, and someone else pointed that out.

By this paragraph alone, it is obvious that there's a history with you and the OP (a sour one at that), which makes your comments seem even more like just an argument with them just for the sake of arguing with them. You two already have personal beef with one another, and you coming into his thread was a bad move on your part, and just opened you up to more arguments, at least from the OP. If you have personal beef with someone, why barge into their threads and make contact with them? Wouldn't it be better to just ignore them?

Given what you stated with your past, I am shocked you would support the overpriced price gouging but that is your choice I suppose. The comment was more for those that are blatantly attacking people that seem to think we need to bend over and just accept anything they give us and bow down to them. However just because of the past of different posters does not mean that should be used for reason to lash out on me for saying the prices are too high.

I don't spend a lot of money on things. So I splurge every once in a while on a cash shop item. I can still pay my bills. I'm not laying awake at night starving. I've spent a lot of time in my life denying myself things that make me happy. Didn't realize it was so shocking to want to allow myself to splurge and indulge every once in a while. I know how to manage my money, and I know not to overspend.

Just because of your past shouldn't give you the reason to just assume that everyone else posting here doesn't share your past, or to assume that they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. It goes both ways, Ama.

If my post came out as a lash out towards you, then I'm sorry that you interpreted it as such. However, I would be lying if I said I wasn't miffed that you just assumed everyone who bought Mogstation items didn't understand what the value of money is, or that they obviously didn't know what it was like to struggle with money at some point in their lives. We all know what happens when you ASS-U-ME. All I'm saying is that you have no right to make such assumptions. You assumptions can be easily interpreted as an attack in and of themselves.

At some point people (i am right now) come to a point enough is enough. Why should I pay double my sub for a bad design (bad inventory programing) then on top of that, 9.99 for wtfast because of the server move because they can't code right for the clunky feel, then have these high cost items on top of it? At some point it seems they keep asking for money and not fixing base issues (game coding/inventory) I would give a lot to see those 2 issues fixed.

Higher ping due to server relocation has nothing to do with game coding.

No hes not, he is a troll and someone that stalked me on a few occasions (bringing up personal issues with me in different threads where what he posted has nothing to do with the thread itself) and there just to ague with me. The first line even proves it was made as a spite thread, someone else even pointed that out before I did, He did not what you are claiming since you seem pretty biased as is.

So you have personal beef with him. Which will only make your comments seem like even more of an attack (at least on him) because of your history. And I don't know how wanting to give someone the benefit of the doubt that maybe they were being genuine is me being biased.

On the topic of being biased, everyone is biased. So, I don't really know why you're including that in your argument here. You're biased. I'm biased. OP is biased. SE is biased. Everyone is.

The reason for the 2 accounts was to deal with the inventory issues, since 6 retainers = sub anyway and 2 subs has more value then 6 retainers (16 chrs, 32 retainers) but I leaned it is a pain to manage and I just want to see how it goes with SB, I might cancel everything because inventory management making this game unplayable. Everyone has different limits with costs, I am near mine, I am sure others feel the same way.

I may see the paying for two accounts as incredibly unnecessary, considering that you could get the same amount of storage with just one subscription and additional retainers, but I'm not attacking you for spending your money how you please. Nor telling you that you don't know the value of money. However, I am not attacking you, nor assuming based off of your past money troubles, that you should be more considerate with your money, and what you do with it.

Even if you were paying legacy pricing for one or more of the accounts, you would still be paying more monthly for both than one would for just a base $15 USD sub; if you're paying the $15 for both, then you're paying more already than someone who pays for one sub and 6 retainers. But, again, it's your money. You do with it as you see fit. And everyone else will spend theirs as they see fit.

[Hamada]

By this paragraph alone, it is obvious that there's a history with you and the OP (a sour one at that), which makes your comments seem even more like just an argument with them just for the sake of arguing with them. You two already have personal beef with one another, and you coming into his thread was a bad move on your part, and just opened you up to more arguments, at least from the OP. If you havepersonal beef with someone, why barge into their threads and make contact with them? Wouldn't it be better to just ignore them?

I didn't why have a personal bias to anyone with issues with the mog station?:

Well, it is a pretty obvious bait, calling it ahead of time doesn't make it any less of a bait...

I may see the paying for two accounts as incredibly unnecessary, considering that you could get the same amount of storage with just one subscription and additional retainers, but I'm not attacking you for spending your money how you please. Nor telling you that you don't know the value of money. However, I am not attacking you, nor assuming based off of your past money troubles, that you should be more considerate with your money, and what you do with it.

Game makes it necessary, lack of inventory space. 6 retainers = sub. 8 chrs x8 retainers = 64
8 chrs x 2 accounts x 2 retainers = 32 + having benefit to actually speak to your alts This is helpful should both have specialist and can trade mats easier.

[HyoMinPark]

I didn't why have a personal bias to anyone with issues with the mog station?:

Really don't know what this has to do with the part of my post you quoted. I didn't ask for what another individual said about the thread. I asked you why you insisted on coming here and responding to a thread created by a person that you have a sour history with, and that you claim has "stalked you on multiple occasions." Isn't that the definition of just asking for trouble? Actually, aren't you coming here and arguing with the OP exactly like what you claim the OP does to you: "stalking?"

I am not using 2 accounts for this matter, this is another attack by you on me (and kind of insulting since I was trying to help you in that DF story thread) I ran out of allowances trying to figure out why someone wants to be instant on that you need pure healing in this game when they can't experience anything from being i190. Who is shoving whos opinion down a throat again?

Huh? How am I the one attacking you again, when my responses have been perfectly civil? Please explain this to me. And what DF story thread post are you talking about? Are you talking about the one where I said I decided to run a12n for shafts for a DRG body piece instead of PvPing for Garo gear (because you advised me to get the Garo gear to meet ilvl requirements for Dun Scaith so I could need on DRG gear)? What in the world are you even talking about here? When have I ever talked about people not experiencing things because they were i190? I...what????

Clearly you have confused me with someone else.

Disagreeing with you is not the same as me attacking you. I think you need to learn the difference between the two.