Thanks for the new mog station items!

[Rokke]

So now not only have you bypassed the forum blacklist feature to continue to 'harass' me by making false claims that I am breaking the ToS but you are now also contributing to the derailment of this thread.

Ama's made a thread complaining about how their "friend" was temp banned for trying to get around a blacklist before too


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This latest mogstation update isn't for me, but I expect to be swimming in eastern clothes in 2 weeks so I'm good. Maybe I'll buy the emote next payday. The more I see it being spammed the more I like it.

[Moonlite]

I have a weird question for the people who support the outfit. Some of you say the value is subjective. But we clearly have a baseline for what a dollar gets in digital content. This is not something new video games are decades old. A full game is worth $XX.XX. That seems like a pretty good baseline. How do you ignore what a dollar gets in other games to defend the pricing? I don't care you bought it. I care you think the pricing is ok.

To the people who think any pricing is ok. My question to you is do you not live in a socialist country? The idea to just allow companies to do whatever and think free market will fix it just seems foreign to me. http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

[Hamada]

Mogstation is overpriced. Why should one set of glamour clothes cost 1/3 of the entire game? Surely you can't argue that fact.

Not only are people arguing that fact with me, but harassing me because I have the view saying it was overpriced. (And how this thread was made to mock people that have such views) Apparently I am blacklist dodging just because one account is post capped and I should not be listened to calling it overpriced because I point out the slow responsiveness of the game.

[HyoMinPark]

This.
They are overpriced, that simple. Anyone that disagrees does not know the value of a dollar.

Value is a subjective measure that varies by each individual.

I think that paying several tens of thousands of dollars on pimping out a car is overpriced and not worth the tens of thousands spent on it. Others, however, do not think the same. Doesn't mean that either of us are wrong because our measures of value are different.

You may think they're overpriced and not worth the money, but not everyone shares your same opinion. And visa-versa. Doesn't mean that either side is wrong. However, saying that people that disagree with you are wrong and don't know anything about the value of money is wrong. Opinions cannot be wrong. But saying that others are wrong just because they don't share yours is.

Not only are people arguing that fact with me, but harassing me because I have the view saying it was overpriced. (And how this thread was made to mock people that have such views) Apparently I am blacklist dodging just because one account is post capped and I should not be listened to calling it overpriced because I point out the slow responsiveness of the game.

Just like others post threads calling those who buy items from the cash shop terrible individuals for supporting such a thing in a subscription-based game? You're entitled to think the items are overpriced. What you are not entitled to, however, is to say that others are wrong just because they don't share your opinion.

[Centershock]

I have a weird question for the people who support the outfit. Some of you say the value is subjective. But we clearly have a baseline for what a dollar gets in digital content. This is not something new video games are decades old. A full game is worth $XX.XX. That seems like a pretty good baseline. How do you ignore what a dollar gets in other games to defend the pricing? I don't care you bought it. I care you think the pricing is ok.

To the people who think any pricing is ok. My question to you is do you not live in a socialist country? The idea to just allow companies to do whatever and think free market will fix it just seems foreign to me. http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

I've been asking over and over again to these same people, "Are high-priced glamours what you want in the Mog Station?" As expected, I got no answer from anyone. Because the more people buy these expensive things, I'm almost certain they'll put more items in the Mog Station for the same price, if not more. I think it's important to voice concerns for those who think these are priced too high. Because for many like myself, they are priced too high. It doesn't matter if these items are optional. If concerns are voiced, then MAYBE just maybe the devs (or whoever is in charge of the Mog Station) will think twice about pricing items on the Mog Station like they are now.

For those who bought the expensive item like it was nothing to you, I also ask you this question: At what point are you okay with the prices that Mog Station puts out with their items? Will you still buy emotes that are USD 15? 20? And will you still buy two-piece glamours for USD 18? 35? 40?

Please keep in mind that a standard monthly sub is $14.99 for those who pay month after month. (Discounts applied to those who pay for 3 months at a time, and at 6.)

[Hamada]

Value is a subjective measure that varies by each individual. You may think they're overpriced and not worth the money, but not everyone shares your same opinion. And visa-versa. Doesn't mean that either side is wrong. However, saying that people that disagree with you are wrong and don't know anything is wrong. Opinions cannot be wrong. But saying that others are wrong just because they don't share yours is.

I did not say they are wrong, I said they do not understand the value of a dollar. Meaning it is likely people like that do not understand the struggles some go though to eat or live paycheck to paycheck. I have no issue with people buying it because it makes them happy or whatever, I have issues with people saying the pricing is fine just because it is optional. I have issues with people thinking the price is fine because they can't look outside themselves and know what others go though. That is why I said people that think the pricing is fine do not understand the value of a dollar. I am confidant anyone that does understand the value of a dollar, will agree the pricing is too high.

[savageink]

I would agree that some of the things on the mog station are over priced. Mostly I think that any item that you have to pick a character for, instead of buying it for all your characters, is never ever going to be purchased by me. And 20 dollar glams aren't unheard of, but even if I was tempted to buy one I won't if it's for a single character and especially as long as the glam system is in the current state. I have nowhere to store it. They need to make a user friendly wardrobe separate from general storage before I will put any money into something like that.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

I have a weird question for the people who support the outfit. Some of you say the value is subjective. But we clearly have a baseline for what a dollar gets in digital content. This is not something new video games are decades old. A full game is worth $XX.XX. That seems like a pretty good baseline. How do you ignore what a dollar gets in other games to defend the pricing? I don't care you bought it. I care you think the pricing is ok.

To the people who think any pricing is ok. My question to you is do you not live in a socialist country? The idea to just allow companies to do whatever and think free market will fix it just seems foreign to me. http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

Well so far everything that SE has put in their cash shop is fine with me as far as the price. I used to spend thousands on glamour that could be enchanted with insane stats in a free to play MMO though so I guess when you compare SEs model to that it will always seem amazing. Maybe it's just me. I get that some people may not be able to afford those items and I'm by no means trying to rub that in their faces. I think it would be nice to have plenty of cheaper stuff for everyone to enjoy despite their income level but so far everything they've added seems reasonable. Again subject to personal opinion of course. I live in the USA btw.

Ama's made a thread complaining about how their "friend" was temp banned for trying to get around a blacklist before too


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This latest mogstation update isn't for me, but I expect to be swimming in eastern clothes in 2 weeks so I'm good. Maybe I'll buy the emote next payday. The more I see it being spammed the more I like it.

Yeah I think I remember seeing that thread >_>. I'm gonna be waiting for my next paycheck as well lol. I can afford it it's just I like to have a bigger savings pad before I dispose of income especially now with extra bills I have to pay. Come 4.0 I'll definitely be rocking both though

[Hamada]

I would agree that some of the things on the mog station are over priced. Mostly I think that any item that you have to pick a character for, instead of buying it for all your characters, is never ever going to be purchased by me. And 20 dollar glams aren't unheard of, but even if I was tempted to buy one I won't if it's for a single character and especially as long as the glam system is in the current state. I have nowhere to store it. They need to make a user friendly wardrobe separate from general storage before I will put any money into something like that.

From off top my head, the only pricing I agree with is name changes, race changes, server change, and weddings. There is no reason a glam outfit should cost more then a race change. Even space retinal is too high, I think that is the worst mog station offender.

[HyoMinPark]

I have a weird question for the people who support the outfit. Some of you say the value is subjective. But we clearly have a baseline for what a dollar gets in digital content. This is not something new video games are decades old. A full game is worth $XX.XX. That seems like a pretty good baseline. How do you ignore what a dollar gets in other games to defend the pricing? I don't care you bought it. I care you think the pricing is ok.

The thing is, however, there is no true baseline for games. When you look at all the different games available, rarely do you find a base price for them. Some are $20. Some are $30. Some are $60. Some have shiny collectors editions that are $50. Others have shiny collectors editions that are $200. And games vary in cost per country and per currency as well. There's no pure "baseline" when it comes to pricing of just video games in general.

And shinies and bonus content can always be expected to have the potential to exceed the original price paid for any game because the people that supply said bonus shinies know that there are hardcore collectors out there that will pay anything for them. And this brings us back to the "value is a subjective measure" argument. Example: I wouldn't pay $200 for the Stormblood CE. Completely not worth it in my opinion; completely overpriced. Because I could care less about the shinies; the mini artbook, if I really wanted it, I could buy off of eBay for 1/4 of the cost or less. Don't care about the statue or the box either--and I definitely do not have the space to display or store them. However, I have 3 friends that gladly shoveled out the money for it without a second thought.

I think the price of glamour items on the Mogstation could be toned down quite a bit. However, there is nothing I can do to make SE cut back the prices. People can say to boycott, but for every individual not buying from the cash shop, there are probably ten that do. Boycotting wouldn't solve anything unless it was an incredibly massive boycott. Which seems unlikely for this game.

To the people who think any pricing is ok. My question to you is do you not live in a socialist country? The idea to just allow companies to do whatever and think free market will fix it just seems foreign to me. http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/

Since a lot of people (inb4 I'm accused of generalizing, please note how I said A LOT , not everyone) posting on the English forums tend to be from NA or EU, no, we do not live in a socialist country. Most countries in the NA and EU are capitalist. And, again, see what I said about boycotts. That would be the only thing that could possibly prompt companies to stop overcharging for merchandise, but there is no realistic way for a boycott of SE over Mogstation pricing to ever get so large that it would make any difference.

I did not say they are wrong, I said they do not understand the value of a dollar. Meaning it is likely people like that do not understand the struggles some go though to eat or live paycheck to paycheck. I have no issue with people buying it because it makes them happy or whatever, I have issues with people saying the pricing is fine just because it is optional. I have issues with people thinking the price is fine because they can't look outside themselves and know what others go though. That is why I said people that think the pricing is fine do not understand the value of a dollar. I am confidant anyone that does understand the value of a dollar, will agree the pricing is too high.

And you really have no place to make any such claims. You don't know anything about the people that post here. You don't know that they could be millionaires, or they could be college students living off of Ramen and student loans. You don't know if they once barely had money to scrape by, or if they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

I have been there. I had a time in my life where I lived pay check to pay check; now, I do not. Yet, I still have extreme periods of stinginess with my money. This outfit was the first thing I bought that wasn't with a gift card in several months. Yet, according to your post, I know nothing about what it's like to live in such a way, or about the value of money. Who are you to say such thing about strangers on the Internet, whom you know zero about?