Need or Greed? A Question of Etiquette.

[winsock]

Greed only parties are a thing. And if someone else wants it for seals not an alt, well then they can need on things that drop for their current Job. Gear drops are RNG, I have neither the time nor the inclination of subjecting myself to a second round of RNG just to appease someone else's sense of fairness and cooperation, which is precisely what greeding is.

But here is the problem. Needing and greeding are 2 different things. Greed only parties could just as easily need named Need only parties right? You aren't actually defining anything here that separates the definition of need or greed. So in your opinion, why are you given both need and greed options on a piece of gear for your job? If the definition is interchangeable, you haven't defined them at all.

[SendohJin]

Need is you want it.
Greed is you don't want it to hit the floor.

They're not interchangeable.

[Areonus]

But here is the problem. Needing and greeding are 2 different things. Greed only parties could just as easily need named Need only parties right? You aren't actually defining anything here that separates the definition of need or greed. So in your opinion, why are you given both need and greed options on a piece of gear for your job? If the definition is interchangeable, you haven't defined them at all.

At this point I'm assuming you are deliberately being obtuse. First of all, you never asked for a definition of NEED/GREED you asked "why is greeding an option when you can need?" Which I answered. And secondly, NO a GREED only party could not be called a NEED only party. The entire point of a GREED only party is that everyone is agreeing in advance to not roll NEED on anything so everyone has a shot at every piece of loot that drops, a NEED only party would be fundementally different in that people would only every roll on things that hey can NEED on, which makes 0 sense because then you'd have gear going to waste if no one in the party was playing that particular role/job
And in case my answer to your original question wasn't "satisfactory" here's one from someone else.

It's there for if I don't particularly want any of the benefits it could provide, but just so it doesn't hit the floor if everyone else passes. You need the gear for an alt job? Why don'tyou ask me to pass. If a person is also looking for seals, then I expect them to need on any gear they can as well.

[Capriana]

Always NEED before ho... errr.

Lv 50+ content, Always NEED, if NEED turned off, then GREED. Never PASS.
Who cares if I can use it or want it or what not, when there is a will there is a way.

Under LV 50 content, always pass. Who cares when there is PoTD.

[Fynlar]

If the stuff corresponds to your class, you can Need it.

There's no need to debate "rules" when the game has already laid them out for us. Don't like other people Needing "your" stuff? Play on the corresponding class, so you can Need it too. All there really is to it. The people who complain about this system being "unfair" are usually just the ones who think they're entitled to the loot. Hypocrisy much?

Personally speaking, if my *only* intent for a piece of gear is to hand it in for GC seals, I'll only Greed it instead. For any other purpose, I'll Need it instead if I can. But that's just how I roll personally; anyone else can literally Need every possible thing the game lets them Need, and that's totally up to them and within their rights because that's how the game works.

[Alleo]

I am still not sure how its greedy to roll need for seals? I went in there as that job and the RNG gave me the drop. Just like they will give them to someone else. We already wrote that if people speak up and want something for an update or maybe a glamour that most people will pass on it. Why should I roll greed if nobody says a word and it drops for my job?

And why there are need and greed options for your job specific drop? Well as a DD in a dungeon you could have the chance that somebody else can roll need on it too. So if you would like the drop but you want to give the other DD the bigger chance to go at it you can roll greed. With that if the other DD does not need it too you still have the chance to get it. But if its only need or pass than you will have to either give it up completely or roll with the other person for it.

Anyway most of the time right now I will only run dungeons to get equipment for seals. There had been runs where I did not get a single items thanks to all of the items being greed only for me and I kinda have bad luck. If its always just greed with barely any chance to get it, well I would simply not run dungeons that much anymore. So a loss for all those random groups. So getting some of those drops thanks to NEED is kinda my payment for running this content. Because I dont need anything else from it.

But in the end if you only want to greed for it, well you can. And if I am greedy in your opinion for choosing need if nobody else truly wants it, well I can live with that.

[Naunet]

I am still not sure how its greedy to roll need for seals? I went in there as that job and the RNG gave me the drop. Just like they will give them to someone else.

Everyone else deserves a shot at seals, too. GC Seal turn-ins aren't job-specific, and it's very easy for people to go into a dungeon and not get any shot at the gear that does drop because someone was rolling Need for seals on everything.

[New_Game_Plus]

Company Seals. I need em for ventures and the like.

[SendohJin]

Everyone else deserves a shot at seals, too. GC Seal turn-ins aren't job-specific, and it's very easy for people to go into a dungeon and not get any shot at the gear that does drop because someone was rolling Need for seals on everything.

Their shot is determined by RNG dropping the gear they can Need on. if the dungeon decides to drop 4 pieces of Tank gear and the Tank needs on it that's RNG favoring the tank. everyone has a shot that RNG will favor their job unless they double up the DPS but RNG still favored them over the Tank and Healer in that case.

it's uncommon for a dungeon to drop stuff for only one role.

[Alleo]

Everyone else deserves a shot at seals, too.

But they also get the shots at the gear if something drops for their job where they can need on it? I mean item distribution can be bad but there should be at least one item in there which you can need on, otherwise you have really bad RNG. And if you are a healer or tank you will be even more lucky because you are the only one that can need.

So people that want it for seals should even roll greed on something even though they might not get it when they will roll greed on it?? I mean you will then have to roll against three other people so your chance to get it is quite small if everyone rolls. No sorry I will roll need if I can do it and nobody else needs it for glamour or upgrade. If the others need seals too they can simply roll need on their items that drops..