Need or Greed? A Question of Etiquette.

[Areonus]

I'm working on my Anima relic, which is an upgrade. I NEED GC seals for some of the items to make it. Just because YOU personally don't NEED GC seals for an upgrade to your gear doesn't mean other people don't. And if the past is any indicator the next relic quest will also probably require GC seals. Not to mention, if you want gear on a specific job, go into an instance as that job, it is neither mine nor anyone else's responsibility to help you gear up your alt job that you can't be bothered to play.

[winsock]

I'm working on my Anima relic, which is an upgrade. I NEED GC seals for some of the items to make it. Just because YOU personally don't NEED GC seals for an upgrade to your gear doesn't mean other people don't. And if the past is any indicator the next relic quest will also probably require GC seals. Not to mention, if you want gear on a specific job, go into an instance as that job, it is neither mine nor anyone else's responsibility to help you gear up your alt job that you can't be bothered to play.

Say a piece of gear drops that you have the option to need on.
In your opinion, why are you presented with a greed option at all? When should one use the greed option when need is available?

[ManuelBravo]

Say a piece of gear drops that you have the option to need on.
In your opinion, why are you presented with a greed option at all? When should one use the greed option when need is available?

The Greed option is designed to pass if you have that item already. Rather than waiting out the timer or if people want to be nice.

[Areonus]

My question is, "Why are people not playing the job they need gear for if they need gear so badly as to be upset by other people "needing" on gear that they rightfully earned by playing that job"
"Also why is your alt job, which is not in the dungeon, equally entitled to gear that drops when I'm the one currently playing the job, especially if I don't know you even have hat job?"

In short, if you want gear either go as that job or SAY SOMETHING when the gear drops. plenty of people, (myself included) will pass if asked. Don't expect us to handicap our own progression or desires without actually asking.

[winsock]

My question is, "Why are people not playing the job they need gear for if they need gear so badly as to be upset by other people "needing" on gear that they rightfully earned by playing that job"
"Also why is your alt job, which is not in the dungeon, equally entitled to gear that drops when I'm the one currently playing the job, especially if I don't know you even have hat job?"

In short, if you want gear either go as that job or SAY SOMETHING when the gear drops. plenty of people, (myself included) will pass if asked. Don't expect us to handicap our own progression or desires without actually asking.

You are avoiding the question. What is greed there for if you have the option to need? What do you think its purpose is?

What if the other party member wants it for the seals, not their alt?

[Areonus]

Greed only parties are a thing. And if someone else wants it for seals not an alt, well then they can need on things that drop for their current Job. Gear drops are RNG, I have neither the time nor the inclination of subjecting myself to a second round of RNG just to appease someone else's sense of fairness and cooperation, which is precisely what greeding is.

[Naunet]

Greed only parties are a thing. And if someone else wants it for seals not an alt, well then they can need on things that drop for their current Job. Gear drops are RNG, I have neither the time nor the inclination of subjecting myself to a second round of RNG just to appease someone else's sense of fairness and cooperation, which is precisely what greeding is.

It's not a second round of RNG if you all roll GREED for seals. It's one layer. Something will always drop. Everyone helped with the boss kill. No one needs it for upgrade/glamour? Everyone gets a shot at the loot for seals.

[winsock]

Greed only parties are a thing. And if someone else wants it for seals not an alt, well then they can need on things that drop for their current Job. Gear drops are RNG, I have neither the time nor the inclination of subjecting myself to a second round of RNG just to appease someone else's sense of fairness and cooperation, which is precisely what greeding is.

But here is the problem. Needing and greeding are 2 different things. Greed only parties could just as easily need named Need only parties right? You aren't actually defining anything here that separates the definition of need or greed. So in your opinion, why are you given both need and greed options on a piece of gear for your job? If the definition is interchangeable, you haven't defined them at all.

[Mavrias]

You are avoiding the question. What is greed there for if you have the option to need? What do you think its purpose is?

What if the other party member wants it for the seals, not their alt?

It's there for if I don't particularly want any of the benefits it could provide, but just so it doesn't hit the floor if everyone else passes. You need the gear for an alt job? Why don't you ask me to pass. If a person is also looking for seals, then I expect them to need on any gear they can as well.

[Areonus]

But here is the problem. Needing and greeding are 2 different things. Greed only parties could just as easily need named Need only parties right? You aren't actually defining anything here that separates the definition of need or greed. So in your opinion, why are you given both need and greed options on a piece of gear for your job? If the definition is interchangeable, you haven't defined them at all.

At this point I'm assuming you are deliberately being obtuse. First of all, you never asked for a definition of NEED/GREED you asked "why is greeding an option when you can need?" Which I answered. And secondly, NO a GREED only party could not be called a NEED only party. The entire point of a GREED only party is that everyone is agreeing in advance to not roll NEED on anything so everyone has a shot at every piece of loot that drops, a NEED only party would be fundementally different in that people would only every roll on things that hey can NEED on, which makes 0 sense because then you'd have gear going to waste if no one in the party was playing that particular role/job
And in case my answer to your original question wasn't "satisfactory" here's one from someone else.

It's there for if I don't particularly want any of the benefits it could provide, but just so it doesn't hit the floor if everyone else passes. You need the gear for an alt job? Why don'tyou ask me to pass. If a person is also looking for seals, then I expect them to need on any gear they can as well.