Need or Greed? A Question of Etiquette.

[Cidel]

My personal criteria for rolling need:

1) I really could use it as an improvement. (almost never)
2) I like the glamour/ could use the glamour for something in the future. (infrequent)
3) I am in mighty need of GC seals having just bought a lot of relic items/ saving for more. (rare)
4) Somebody in my party has rolled "Need" on something (and it clearly doesn't reflect #1). The gauntlet has been thrown; I could use extra ventures. (most likely reason)
5) I need to replenish my ventures. (uncommon)

If somebody politely asks beforehand, I will pass for reasons 4 & 5.

Otherwise I'll greed everything for buffer GC seals for ventures later.

[KisaiTenshi]

So I recently asked my FC what the etiquette on gear rolling was because I felt like some of the players I encountered in DF roll Need on gear simply because they can. The general consensus among my FC mates was that the decent thing to do is to only roll Need for glamour or upgrade purposes or for unique items (minions, TT cards, etc), which is the philosophy I adhere to. I then became curious what the community at large thinks are acceptable reasons to roll Need.

So my question: Why do you roll Need?

Depending on why you're in that dungeon in the first place:

a) I need the drop - NEED

b) I don't need the drop, but I could use it - NEED

c) I don't need the drop, or my inventory is full - PASS

d) I don't want this item to be lost if everyone hits pass - Greed.

That's basically it. You should only "Need" things that you need "right now" rather than things you "might need" at some later date. By Need'ing unnecessarily you will end up with a crafting items in your inventory, and those items may be worthless on one server and expensive on another. For gear drops, especially in 24-man raids, only NEED the item you actually want right now, because otherwise you might not get another crack at it for a while.

Also, I've never actually seen a TT card in a loot roll, they're always randomly given. Since you can only have one of any kind of minion, and you can't typically sell them, you should only "need" minions you don't already have.

[Alleo]

I mean, that's the unspoken etiquette for loot in every other MMO I've ever played, so...

But one cant just simply expect the rules from one MMO to go over to other MMOs. Maybe in those you could only get better equipment through dungeon runs so it makes sense that you should only roll onto the item if you need it for an upgrade. In FF14 you have way more ways to gear up so its not necessary to get the dungeon gear. Also not everyone might have played other MMOs or something.

Just dont expect other peoples to follow some unseen unknown code of etiquette that is not even necessary in this game, especially since the system itself shows people that they can loot it if its from their job so why should we just not do it the intended way? (I remember the discussion about hunts where Yoshida and his team wanted it to be more about a group of people finding it and killing it and not the thing it turned out where people are verbally attacked if they dont wait till even the last person of the server is there. This just shows how bad this self-made etiquette can go imo.) I am also quite sure that most people would simply pass on their loot if someone else truly needs it for gearing or even glamour, so one simple question at the beginning of the dungeon should be enough most of the time.

[GDFletcher]

Our FC runs like this for premade runs;

Can you upgrade a piece of gear with this item [yes = Need] [no = Greed]
Was the item a Minion [Greed]
Was the item a Mount [Greed]

In the open world when you are on your own there will always be the greedy players that will hit Need on everything so

Do you need the item for an Upgrade - Need
Do you want the item for glamour - Need
Minion - Need
Mount - Need
Seals - Greed

It would be the only way in a PUG you stand a chance to get anything.

[winsock]

What is the point of need/greed if people just 'need' everything. Your ability to roll need is locked to your job/class for a particular piece of gear. If the action you are going to take on that gear is not dependent on your need-rolling job/class (such as seal turn-on), you are being greedy and should roll greed.

You would not have the opportunity to roll at all if it were not for your party. Roll greed.

[Alleo]

What is the point of need/greed if people just 'need' everything. Your ability to roll need is locked to your job/class for a particular piece of gear. If the action you are going to take on that gear is not dependent on your need-rolling job/class (such as seal turn-on), you are being greedy and should roll greed.

You would not have the opportunity to roll at all if it were not for your party. Roll greed.

But we can only roll need if its something for our job so its not like we can roll need on every single item in this dungeon. Also lets just look at it that way: In a dungeon you only have one tank and on healer. If you want gear from any of these two roles you just simply have to go there as that role and you will get the item (if it even drops!!). So the only role that has a problem is the DD because you might have another ranged/magic DD user with you. If the worst case happens and there is another one with you that can need on the item you just can ask for the item. I believe that most people will pass on it, if you ask nicely for it!

If someone goes into a dungeon and wants gear for another job then why exactly should the one with the job greed or pass on it? I do so if I dont want something for glamour and if that person wants it for glamour..but if you truly want something for that job go into it as that..and if your are not good enough to play that job in group content then why need it anyway?

And no I will not roll greed just because I should be happy that I even have a party..because if you look at it, in that way, nobody is allowed to roll need, not even the newbie that needs it as an upgrade, because he/she should be thankful that there are other three people that went there right? You cant just go around and write this as an argument to greed but exclude certain people from that. And if everyone has to greed, well the chance that the person will get it, is even lower!

I just hope that if you ever need a certain glamour option and have it finally appear after running the dungeon countless of times..and you could need on it because you play as that role (even if you dont like it) that you will roll greed. Because you should be thankful that you even just got to see it drop thanks to your party.

Lets not forget that one can use seals to improve your job too. Items for the relic for example.

[Tremara]

If I fight and heal along the other party members and want a particular item - even if it doesn't improve my gear/glamour/seal, I will roll need. I earned the right like everyone else in the party.

[Naunet]

And no I will not roll greed just because I should be happy that I even have a party..because if you look at it, in that way, nobody is allowed to roll need, not even the newbie that needs it as an upgrade, because he/she should be thankful that there are other three people that went there right?

I mean, no one's saying people should never roll need ever. Most of us who think folk should moderate their need rolling view GC seals and desynth as a universal want that's not specific to armor type and that people should roll greed on gear for that, because the entire party deserves a chance at it. Need for upgrade, need for glamour (these two depend on the specific armor type of the gear), and greed for everything else (does not depend on armor type).

[RhaegarFFXIFenrir]

In Duty Finder? The etiquette is quite simple. If you can "Need" then if you want hit "Need." There's no need for any justification for doing so other than that you can. Otherwise, you hit "greed." That's not to say you can't be nice and hit the "greed" button if you feel like sharing, but there's no requirement to do so. Simply put, if you are in DF and you want tank gear drops, you run as a tank. If you want caster drops, you run as a caster. It's really that simple. Party Finder is a bit of a different story, and if you are joining a preformed group you want to make sure that the loot rules are to your liking because, unless otherwise specified, preformed parties also function under the need>greed loot system.

[Mavrias]

Most of us who think folk should moderate their need rolling view GC seals and desynth as a universal want that's not specific to armor type and that people should roll greed on gear for that, because the entire party deserves a chance at it. Need for upgrade, need for glamour (these two depend on the specific armor type of the gear), and greed for everything else (does not depend on armor type).

I need GC seals for relic items. The relic will be an upgrade for me. So I will need it to get my GC seals. If you need a piece or gear as an upgrade for an alt job, speak up and I'll straight up pass on it, assuming you're within 10 levels of being able to equip it, and I will check. Greed on everything else because, again, GC seals.