We're all DDs now >.>

[Bourne_Endeavor]

AI's who just stands there.

I'd just like to highlight the irony of this statement and ask but one question: how does this differ from a healer who only heals, thus "standing there" when there is no outgoing damage? You called her dumb...

Nope. When you pull out the Ad hominem and name calling attacks, you've lost the argument, because you're resorting to attacking the person's character instead of finding factually wrong information as a basis for a counter-argument.

No it seems like everyone's "healer must DPS" argument comes out of thin air and from players being toxic on some servers. It does not change the fact that NONE of the gameplay requires it. That has been my argument every single time this comes up. That guy who says he has 83% downtime is because he is playing badly, and admitted so.

You have not not made a single factual point once regarding healer gameplay. I also took the liberty of looking up your lodwstone profile. You are decked out in ilvl 190 gear with no EX clears nor could you even qualify for all the Heavensward dungeons. Furthermore, you only have one healer at max level. So, what, pray tell, makes you an expert on healing enough to tell players who have cleared Savage whether they can have 83% downtime? Granted, you require nowhere near that ilvl to still spend more time in Cleric than not. I suppose it really is multiple people lying. Kisai knows best after all.

When I play with PUG's, there is little to no downtime, and the less overgeared someone is (particularly the tank) the harder it is. I've expected tanks to try to speed run things, because that is what I can adapt to. I've adapted to more tanks playing poorly, while playing healer. When I play DPS in dungeon play I just roll my eyes when a healer spams every HoT heal on everyone,

Operative word there is I. Your experiences are not reflective of everyone else's. You aren't nearly as good as you seem to perceive yourself. Which would be fine... if you weren't so obstinate. I mean honestly, how many times does someone have to tell you good healers don't spam HoT on everyone yet still spend the vast majority of their time in Cleric. How about clearing content and actually learning the strength of your job before lecturing others on their capabilities, hmm?

Anywho, I am done. You clearly wish to remain blissfully ignorant on how to heal. C'est la vie.

[Arrius]

It is not proving your point, I heal, I heal bad DFs, in fact I healed[...]

You didn't quote me first about the healing. Why coming up with that topic when you had me quoted on the other one?
E: Getting late and hitting the cap, so I won't bother anymore.

[Taika]

Though the forum community swings heavily towards anti-parser and pro-healer dps from what manage to pick up from the bigger posts about them

I'd be willing to bet that many players who support healer DPS also support in game parsers. At least I most definitely do.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I'd be willing to bet that many players who support healer DPS also support in game parsers. At least I most definitely do.

I can see the point of in-game parsers now. At the very least, I can yell at the healers for trying to sabotage my DPS by forcing me to deal with mechanics!

E: That could be fun to see, actually. 8 people all refusing to do mechs because "MUH DEEPS!"

[Hamada]

I'd be willing to bet that many players who support healer DPS also support in game parsers. At least I most definitely do.

I don't support parsers because I do not trust the mass based with what me and my friends experienced (with them, seeing their stories, hearing others, seeing their SS, and my own experiences.) You can get a good feel who is slacking off though with just being observant. Because of this, people tend to be more civil then they would be with a praser. I only seen one, non-toxic convo that resulted from someone using a praser, and that is because someone was asking for numbers on a lore farm. My friend kept switching jobs to see what would result in faster runs from someone asking another for numbers. Ill never forget this line "Sure we have a DPS above 2k now, but now we lost healer DPS resulting in the same speed" (At first my friend was whm while the other person was on brd)

If people can't be civil on mass scale with parsers being regarded as a 3rd party tool you shouldn't be using, why in the hell would I support in game parsers?

[Aramina]

I can see the point of in-game parsers now. At the very least, I can yell at the healers for trying to sabotage my DPS by forcing me to deal with mechanics!

Are you trying to make sure that anyone who might have thought your concerns/ideas had merit will now be convinced they were wrong and you are nothing more than a shit-stirrer? Because if not.... this is not the proper way -at all- to be listened to.

[Belhi]

I'd be willing to bet that many players who support healer DPS also support in game parsers. At least I most definitely do.

As long as people calling out healers on not parsing high enough doesn't become a thing. Not because dealing dps as a healer is hard but because it would be really annoying coming from anyone dpsing since healer dps is so dependent on the performance of the tank and dps in mitigating the damage they take.

[Taika]

If people can't be civil on mass scale with parsers being regarded as a 3rd party tool you shouldn't be using, why in the hell would I support in game parsers?

This is going off topic, but I support them because of transparency: I have seen people berating others for "low DPS" when in fact the person "calling out" others was the lowest one, and no one could say the truth out loud because they'd risk getting banned. The reason I believe many healer DPS supporter support parsers is that both (to me) are about active participation and pulling one's weight in a team. Harassment on the other hand is something I won't stand - with or without parsers.

As long as people calling out healers on not parsing high enough doesn't become a thing. Not because dealing dps as a healer is hard but because it would be really annoying coming from anyone dpsing since healer dps is so dependent on the performance of the tank and dps in mitigating the damage they take.

Definitely agreed!

In best case scenario, the in game parser would also account for healing, overhealing, damage taken, deaths etc. Then you could also call out the DPS who think it's a great idea to stand in every AoE pool just to boost their own DPS. I would actually welcome a damage-down debuff affected by every single avoidable damage mechanic players eat. :P

Are you trying to make sure that anyone who might have thought your concerns/ideas had merit will now be convinced they were wrong and you are nothing more than a shit-stirrer? Because if not.... this is not the proper way -at all- to be listened to.

I think she simply considers herself clever and / or funny posting nonsense trying to provoke people and finds herself amusing.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Are you trying to make sure that anyone who might have thought your concerns/ideas had merit will now be convinced they were wrong and you are nothing more than a shit-stirrer? Because if not.... this is not the proper way -at all- to be listened to.

Now you see, there is a distinct difference between being a realistic pragmatist, and being a shit stirrer. I'm pointing out that meters would discourage dps from following mechs even more because any drop in dps would reflect badly on them, foisting mechanical responsibilities on tanks and Heals. If you wanna call realistic expectations shit stirring, I have quite different concerns.

[Aramina]

Now you see, there is a distinct difference between being a realistic pragmatist, and being a shit stirrer. I'm pointing out that meters would discourage dps from following mechs even more because any drop in dps would reflect badly on them, foisting mechanical responsibilities on tanks and Heals. If you wanna call realistic expectations shit stirring, I have quite different concerns.

Not really. Dead people do no dps. I don't have a horse in the race for parsers or against parsers, but having come from games with in-game parsers, I can assure you it was not healers being blamed for people standing in bad. I don't think FF players are so far removed from anything resembling intelligent thought that they would somehow be different.