We're all DDs now >.>

[Hamada]

You're just cherry picking the argument you want to fight. Look I'll summarize what has been said between the three threads in the general forum and the last 8 years of FFXIV:/.

What on earth O_o isn't that exactly what you are doing? I really do not understand your issue as this is pointed out:

I don't evenknow what you're trying to say in that convoluted post. Healer's operate on a simple priority system: Is healing needed? Yes→Heal / No→DPS. That's all there is to it.

That is all there is to it. The only reason people get on the back of healers only healing is because it means they are not doing much while DPS have to use specific rotations and done so at split second timings, so much so medium ping rates effect how much they can dps. So when someone is trying their hardest making these rotations and sees someone not doing much, it is pretty insulting.

My friend was doing ast relic (I posted this in the rant thread) on this group on her back for using clerics even though no one died. Then she had to heal bomb the mediocre tank to death because the SMN did not know what an AoE is or use AoE LB. After having enough with the SMN, who insulted her about using cleric stance, even though no one died once, voted a dismissal that happened to pass. After it did the other 2 admitted being a premade and called her a trash healer because the PLD, had to... *GASP!!!* use Clemency!

Then she was in a group for a long time in a1s pt, doing 90% dps, tossing out aspected regens to go with SCH shields and Essential Dignity whenever the SCH seemed needing a bit of backup to help them with their uptime with clearics. This SCH was replaced with an AST and people kept dying because that AST refused to heal at all. She wanted him to toss out a few essential dignity when needed like she does so both can have highest uptime. After a while the AST left on his own ranting about do not tell me how to play. After that they just let her solo healed and did fine and still tossed out DPS spells. The problem she has with co healers at times is that she expects help in a pinch so she is not spamming heals so much (I do as well to an extent, I had to ask for healing help in dun before), basically diving the work so both healers have the most uptime.

A simple example is , why should I have to cast 2 or 3 succor when both SCH can just heal the whole party when both use Indomitability? So there is more uptime for both healers when both heal for a split second, not depending on one to heal, one to DPS.

"We're all DDs now" I am not sure how endgame 1.0 was, but as far as 2.0+, sorry but this was always the case. Everyone in this game does some kind of damage, there never was pure roles here.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Some people don't care about speed running everything in the game. They come home from a long day at work and log in looking to relax and maybe get a few things done before time for bed. This is a video game, not a job or a competitive sport. People don't need to always operate at 110% in every aspect of this game, raiding / pvp excluded, maybe.

This has nothing to do with speed running but the fact only one role gets away with pressing a fraction of the buttons of any other. Technically, you are correct. You can play however you fancy. Just don't be surprised if other players don't appreciate your decision to relax and "take it easy."

That's..not the conjurer story..don't take a screenshot out of context and use that to try to turn the story into something else lol

One could argue the screenshot prior was equally misinterpreted since no one has said healing isn't the primarily concern for healers. The only response people have had is when there is nothing to heal, don't just stand around doing nothing. If the Warrior, Dragoon and Black Mage all have 300+ casts and the White Mage only has 50. Three players did substantially more work while one got to "relax." That is why people get salty.

[Dyvid]

Well with 4.0 around the corner and SE wanting to remove all those unnecessary abilities I suppose we can just removal all the offense spells from healer, right?

Seriously, what is the penalty of casting a spell here and there? I understand people who aren't good with stance dance and I completely understand and would rather you just heal if that's the case. But if it's just an old meta hold over from other games the healers just cast cure, well maybe DPS and tanks should stop dodging so you can heal to your hearts content? I think from this day forward when I notice healer just standing their I'll just take the hit so you won't get bored.

[SpookyGhost]

Just as a side note, since I feel like a lot of people somehow didn't realize this: You could always, in fact, use offensive spells outside of Cleric Stance. If you had a fear of being stuck in Cleric for 5s and not being able to heal if something suddenly happened, then you could always just... not enter Cleric and throw out your DPS spells anyway. It's not like they're going to waste, they're still doing damage (albeit not as much as they could be doing) and you would've been pressing nothing at all otherwise.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Three players did substantially more work while one got to "relax." That is why people get salty.

This argument only works if the other players are pulling massive numbers. DDs can take it easy just as much as healers can by adopting a much less rigorous and strict rotation or skipping use of oGCDs, and tanks are equally liable of taking it easy by just sitting in tank stance and spamming aggro combo. Why is it OK for these guys to take it easy and not push themselves to the edge, but it's a crime for healers to not continually be pushing out massive dps while babysitting their team? It's a weird double standard in this game that it's OK for dps to be pushing out 30-40% of their Max, but healers are expected to deal out 100-125% of what their capable of at all times.

[SpookyGhost]

Why is it OK for these guys to take it easy and not push themselves to the edge, but it's a crime for healers to not continually be pushing out massive dps while babysitting their team?

It's not. Everyone should be pulling their weight.

[Aramina]

This argument only works if the other players are pulling massive numbers. DDs can take it easy just as much as healers can by adopting a much less rigorous and strict rotation or skipping use of oGCDs, and tanks are equally liable of taking it easy by just sitting in tank stance and spamming aggro combo. Why is it OK for these guys to take it easy and not push themselves to the edge, but it's a crime for healers to not continually be pushing out massive dps while babysitting their team? It's a weird double standard in this game that it's OK for dps to be pushing out 30-40% of their Max, but healers are expected to deal out 100-125% of what their capable of at all times.

"Other people may do bad too!" is absolutely horrific reasoning.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

"Other people may do bad too!" is absolutely horrific reasoning.

Not exactly my reasoning, but sure! More like "It's unfair only one role is held up to maximum standards while everyone else can laze at 50-60% or less".

[Seoulstar]

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The other one is not really a misinterpretation. It gives you a suggestion, it does not state at no point that it's mandatory to do it. It's just an option, something extra you could do. But not really necessary. But for some reason there are people here that believes that you have to dps, that's 100% mandatory. If i'm on a dps and the healer is not dpsing..I don't care. As long as they keep me alive. I'm not going to get salty over something so minor. Even if I'm doing more, it's not a huge deal.

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If we remove the offensive spells for a healer, how are they going to progress through their story? Also why should people resort to childish behavior that would result in the party wiping over a healer not wanting to dps? Do people on this forum really have such illogical and childish thoughts?

[Taika]

Not exactly my reasoning, but sure! More like "It's unfair only one role is held up to maximum standards while everyone else can laze at 50-60% or less".

Except no one is asking maximum performance from healers. No one has said healers should be more active or perform better than other party members. People are saying everyone should be active and pull their weight equally.