Please do something about mentor roulette instant-leaves

[BillyKaplan]

Then you will get reported to SE. This is obvious illegal behaviour. Which is not the case of dodging. Furthermore you will probably be kicked too.

It's a game but if we can make it a better place, I won't say no :-)

Good luck proving that's what they did and not an actual emergency. The second bolded part is why this quest for vendetta is beyond ridiculous and has been for a while now.

[Vidu]

Then you will get reported to SE. This is obvious illegal behaviour. Which is different than dodging. And you will probably be kicked too.

It's a game but if we can make it a better place, I won't say no :-)

And how do you know its "obvious illegal behaviour"? I could give you a reason in chat like "Would you mind holding on for a few minutes, my cat just made a mess in the living room and I need to clean it up!" - the party can ofc decided that no, they dont want to wait and rather kick me, but as long as I dont let you know that I'm faking my afk's and even give you legit reasons for it I might get my 5 more minutes in... or 10, you know, I've got a second cat and they both had this weird new food, you see...?

[Moshimoshikami]

Agree fo the report to SE part.
But the kick part still works.

And it's possible to implement something that stops the reward chrono if you don't move/act at all for 30s (which never happens).

Who's talking about vendetta? I am sure that kind of system would profit to both mentors and apprentice.

There is almost always a solution, but you won't get it if you don't look for it.

[BillyKaplan]

There is almost always a solution, but you won't get it if you don't look for it.

While personally I agree it's a phenomenon, SE so far seems to disagree that there's a problem and that's what counts, and that's what most people in this thread have forgotten. Both what Mentors are supposed to do, as well as punishment for leaving a duty, be it a Mentor or any other player, is not dictated by us. While it's possible this will change in the future, currently, it has not.

[Moshimoshikami]

You are too focus on problems and not enough on solution

Well I am the kind of players who tags on Titan Ex DF when I am bored and help people without expecting anything back. As a healer, I have a lot of influence since I can fix mistakes and playing with newcomers is very challenging and fun. So when I look at what's happening, I am very disappointed. Too many people only care about themselves. Few are the ones who agrees to play with players with less experience. And when you move closer to the end-game content, the most challenging task is to find a team to play with, not to succeed the fights.

Those are the reason why my friends and I stopped playing ff one year ago. I (and only I) am back because Stormblood is coming, but SE should really think about fixing that because I may leave again.
My last suggestion is one step in that direction.

I will send it to SE. Maybe a miracle will occur ^^

[MomomiMomi]

I'm all for looking for solutions, but you have to realize that any changes have consequences. You have to think of the consequences before implementing something. If I'm being rewarded simply for being in an instance, I no longer have incentive to clear it. I simply have to spend as much time inside of instances as possible. I can do poorly, not care that someone is taking damage, not care someone just died, I don't have to put in DPS to clear it faster. I just have to be there.

I can get rewarded for watching Netflix? Sign me up.

[Miste]

This is why people hate mentors. They get their special crown but act with less responsibility than your average player.

People irrationally hate mentors you mean. You are forgetting the other side of the coin where mentors get harassed by other players for attempting to help them so acting like mentors are the only problem is quite wrong.

I honestly rarely see Mentors leaving groups so I am unsure of how much of a problem it really is.

[Moshimoshikami]

I'm all for looking for solutions, but you have to realize that any changes have consequences. You have to think of the consequences before implementing something. If I'm being rewarded simply for being in an instance, I no longer have incentive to clear it. I simply have to spend as much time inside of instances as possible. I can do poorly, not care that someone is taking damage, not care someone just died, I don't have to put in DPS to clear it faster. I just have to be there.

You are also to focus on the problem. If you think a little you would find a solution to your problem. Adding a clearing reward multiplicator of x1.1 on the chrono of the quest should be a good fix to that.

If someone really wants to act as an ??????, nothing will stop him.

You are not even reading me. You chrono would be stopped after 30s of inactivity.

[MomomiMomi]

You are also to focus on the problem. If you think a little you would find a solution to your problem. Adding a clearing reward multiplicator of x1.1 on the chrono of the quest should be a good fix to that.

If someone really wants to act as an ??????, nothing will stop him.

You are not even reading me. You chrono would be stopped after 30s of inactivity.

Pushing a button every 30s while watching Netflix is easy.

[Vidu]

You are too focus on problems and not enough on solution

Well I am the kind of players who tags on Titan Ex DF when I am bored and help people without expecting anything back. As a healer, I have a lot of influence since I can fix mistakes and playing with newcomers is very challenging and fun. So when I look at what's happening, I am very disappointed. Too many people only care about themselves. Few are the ones who agrees to play with players with less experience. And when you move closer to the end-game content, the most challenging task is to find a team to play with, not to succeed the fights.

I would like to point out a few things here:

Not meant as an attack, but when you say you're only helping with difficult duties when you're bored that means that you're rather doing anything else aswell most of the times - its still nice of you to help, but its worth noticing that to me at least.
I agree that someone who signs up for mentor roulette should be up for anything in theory - but most of the runs I got there so far were some ARR-dungeons (actually, my last runs in a rw: SV NM, DD, AV, Qarn NM - yes, I'm a very lucky person). Now if I would only queue up for mentor roulette if I'm so bored that I literally dont want to do anything else that would hurt queue times more than it would hurt people when I bail an EX-primal because I see no chance of clearing it. So the thing is a bit: I might be in the mood to help people with some random-dungeon but not carry them through Titan EX - whats the bigger loss here? Me not queuing up at all or me dropping out of a EX-primal party should I get one instead of a lowlevel dungeon? (Personally I would only drop after two wipes and no improvment)

Playing with newcomers is often enough far from fun. Its fun when they're willing to learn - and just as mentors should be willing to teach and we got good and bad ones there, you get good and bad newcomers. Had a newbie "healer" in Haukke NM recently who didnt healed me, didnt listen to any advice, in the end we kicked them. Wasnt fun. Not at all. And that wasnt even the worst example - I'm often enough greeted by new people not being willing to listen to given advice, no matter how friendly I'm trying. (Again, just yesterday: was helping a Sophia EX run and the WHM wouldnt use Cure III when everyone was stacked up. We wiped multiple times to her strong AoE-casts because the scholar couldnt heal enough. I explained two times and asked them to use it about four times. No reaction. Not fun.)

We also had the discussion about how veterans should help newbies with EX-primals - and quite a few people argued that a first kill for a newbie is more important than the desire of a veteran to farm that content. That veterans are selfish if they exclude people without kill experience - a bit like yours "people only care about themself". But again: This goes both directions - someone new joining an EX-primal without any knowledge of the fight because they couldnt bother to look it up or wanted to go blind only cares about themself aswell. Its not only the veteran who wants their bird - or the mentor who wants an easy roulette.

And yes, finding a decent team is the main-challenge of this game - grats for discovering that! Excuse my sarcsam here, but most endgame-fights that prove to be a bit more of a challenge are designed with the idea of a more or less fixed party in mind - they're not supposed to be cleared in DF. You are supposed to look for likeminded people, form statics, social networks, build up Linkshells, join an FC... not rely on the courtesy of strangers.
I'll sound harsh but: This is a game for people to have fun in - not a welfare organisation.

Personally, I'm often willing to help - even willing to help strangers. But I'm way, way more open to help out a friend - or the friend of a friend. Even without any reward - or rather: my reward is that I know when I need help someday, I can ask them to return the favour.

TL;DR.: Dont rely on strangers, that will disappoint you; Look for friends, build groups, do endgame-content that way.

(I hope this was focused enough on solutions - not the one about people leaving duties, maybe - but I dont acknowledge a real problem there or rather not one that needs more done than the current lockout we're having)