We're all DDs now >.>

[Nominous]

It is supposed to focus a little attention on how 'dps centered' the game has become, in my mind to it's detriment.

That's a change in the community, not the game. Gordias certainly didn't help, though.

What you're seeing is an increase in player awareness. Whether it be of game mechanics, or their Job, people are starting to fully understand what limits can be pushed to create the path of least resistance for the best results. And once "Advanced" players find how to push those limits, the community isn't far behind, wanting to replicate that success. It's "Meta", and it happens in every game. It was bound to be inevitable, but it took about a whole expansion, AND Gordias speeding it up, to get to this point. THAT is why you didn't notice it in 1.0. There wasn't enough time (or content) to experiment and find a Meta.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

That's a change in the community, not the game. Gordias certainly didn't help, though.

What you're seeing is an increase in player awareness. Whether it be of game mechanics, or their Job, people are starting to fully understand what limits can be pushed to create the path of least resistance for the best results. And once "Advanced" players find how to push those limits, the community isn't far behind, wanting to replicate that success. It's "Meta", and it happens in every game. It was bound to be inevitable, but it took about a whole expansion, AND Gordias speeding it up, to get to this point. THAT is why you didn't notice it in 1.0. There wasn't enough time (or content) to experiment and find a Meta.

I would actually posit Creator impacted the DPS meta more so than Gordias. Although Gordias Savage actually forced healers to DPS, we saw a downturn in content difficulty at the lower levels that eventually led to even EX and Savage being considerably easier than previous. The result is players as a whole found they could push significantly more. Consider for a moment, no Heavensward outside maybe Solm Al and Baelsar's Wall were remotely as difficult as The Aery or Vault. Until the devs move away from making everything simple enough you don't need healing for half a fight or tank stance outside the pull, we're going to see increased demands on DPS.

Unfortunately, whenever people have brought up difficulty lately, they immediately assume we want Savage. We don't. We, or at least I, want fights that emphasise my healing and tanking capabilities not just how much damage I do.

[cporter]

What I don't really get about Tank DPS is why don't they just natively do as much damage as DPS if we are gonna be forced to DPS? Like why do we have to work extra hard and equip gear that was never meant for us to try and keep up. I don't understand how it's fun to do as much damage as you possibly can and still come out below every dps.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

What I don't really get about Tank DPS is why don't they just natively do as much damage as DPS if we are gonna be forced to DPS? Like why do we have to work extra hard and equip gear that was never meant for us to try and keep up. I don't understand how it's fun to do as much damage as you possibly can and still come out below every dps.

I take it you haven't played tanks since 3.1? Tanks have been using vit this entire time since it impacts their dps and hp as well.

[aleph_null]

What I don't really get about Tank DPS is why don't they just natively do as much damage as DPS if we are gonna be forced to DPS? Like why do we have to work extra hard and equip gear that was never meant for us to try and keep up. I don't understand how it's fun to do as much damage as you possibly can and still come out below every dps.

Because if tanks do as much damage as actual dps jobs, there'll be no point in bringing them, and every group would just run 6-7 tanks with 2-1 healers? Pushing dps as a tank is a matter of contributing as much to the group as you can, it's a secondary goal you strive for after you're good with aggro, mitigation and positioning. Like it or not currently there's not a single content that requires tanks and healers to play defensively, so we try to contribute more damage instead.

[Shurrikhan]

At this point - everyone should play a true dps class as it seems 'damage per second' is all anyone cares about in roles anymore.

No. That would be a dps loss in most fights.

Every game is centered around its long-term output. Were that a fight in which you heal a boss to full, then it'd be healing. Since its always the death of a boss in XIV, here it's always DPS.

If the game feels abnormally DPS centric, it's only because there's proportionately less expected, baseline, of healers and tanks in their respective roles. In other words, these auxiliary or short-term outputs/windows of mitigation, shielding, and regeneration are generally built for the lowest denominator of player, as not to so risk failure in the short term, while tanks and healers actually have abnormally high simultaneous output in this game. Lower skilled players aren't frustrated by deaths as much as would otherwise be the case, but there's a huge amount of extra output in the form of DPS that lower skilled players may not tap into. Because the short-term is capped whereas the long-term cannot be, DPS becomes the predominant goal. As it should be. Not because it's DPS per se, but because it's the long-term (or the only "real") goal.

So long as death(s) do not cost more time than their aggression would gain, fight harder/smarter to clear faster. That's hardly XIV-exclusive.

[DWolfwood]

Every job in this game is essentially already a DPS. It isn't new, and tanks specifically have it built in. I hate to reference FFXI, but if you've ever tanked endgame content in that game, you know that some games make tanks' rotations almost entirely focused on survival and threat management.

In this game, threat is brain-dead easy to hold (and swap), and survival just boils down to routine tank busters that are easily predictable once you learn the timings. While I would love for tanking to actually be more about tanking, it will be a long time, if ever that we see that happen.

The part where I'm perplexed is why we even still have tank stances. It's like the developers want us to tank with tank stance, so they keep making it harder for us to do so without it, but they don't wanna simply balance our jobs without them.

[Kazrah]

The part where I'm perplexed is why we even still have tank stances. It's like the developers want us to tank with tank stance, so they keep making it harder for us to do so without it, but they don't wanna simply balance our jobs without them.

Probably so that when tanks aren't in dungeons or main tanking in raids, they don't have to deal with killing things 20% slower because their damage is reduced.

Not everything is about endgame. Feels like a lot of people miss that these days.

[Misutoraru]

At this point - everyone should play a true dps class as it seems 'damage per second' is all anyone cares about in roles anymore.

Healer COULD do dmg when free, and Tank COULD swap to DPS stance is something i accept and like to do when i have confident, but i would not force it
when the COULD become MUST is what we need to start worrying
but luckily this forum is only represent a small fraction of the whole FFXIV community

[347SPECTRE]

run 6-7 tanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50kFN0bnXBQ