Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[Sebazy]

This game's track record is anything but predictable though no? SCOB was a substantial step up in difficulty and mechanics vs BCOB, FCOB was more of a halfway house and I'm fairly certain I remember SE stating that they were happy with the difficulty they hit with Bahamut Prime. Gordias was massively removed from anything we had seen before, A3S was significantly harder than any main line coil turn (And was one of the best bosses of this expansion) whilst one can only guess at how low the clear rate would have been for A4S if Pentacle had have forced a wipe when failed.

Back onto the topic with the thread: At the end of the day, WHM is simply not meta, nothing more, nothing less. PLD in A12S is a better example of a class that is an outright hinderance (You typically run out of cooldowns by inceptions, not really an issue at 270 with echo, but at 230 without, it was problematic to say the least). Whilst a WHM might not bring a bottle to the party like AST does, it certainly isn't stopping the show either.

It's good that we have these discussions here to keep SE aware that we don't think the job is in a good place right now. But I can't help but feel that all the cries of 'RIP WHM' and so forth do very little for this communities credibility on these matters when the job is actively getting played and doing just fine at every level of the game despite what this forum would have you believe.

[Eothas]

Back onto the topic with the thread: At the end of the day, WHM is simply not meta, nothing more, nothing less. PLD in A12S is a better example of a class that is an outright hinderance (You typically run out of cooldowns by inceptions, not really an issue at 270 with echo, but at 230 without, it was problematic to say the least). Whilst a WHM might not bring a bottle to the party like AST does, it certainly isn't stopping the show either.

It's true that WHMs can clear all content available, no doubt about it. I think most people can agree with that, even those complaining about WHM's current state. Individually speaking, White Mage IS good, it can handle everything pretty well other than some MP issues if you are DPS'ing a lot. The problem though is when you add SCH and specially AST into the mix, the discrepancy is so big that it hurts. AST is so broken that I have to laugh. More than enough healing output for every piece of content with the extremely broken Balance card on top. Sometimes I like to think that Sophia (Goddess of Balance/Equilibrium) disapproves AST, because definitely there is nothing balanced about that card.

The main concern here is not if White Mages will be able to clear Omega or not, I'm sure they will. The problem is that AST is so broken that it negatively affects White Mages, our reputation is bad and it's getting worse, with or without reason. Unfortunately, like it or not, most people will follow the meta. You can't expect everyone to be enlightened or to have patience to play with something subpar. It got to the point where I feel uncomfortable joining PF groups as WHM, I feel like most people would rather have a below-average AST than a good WHM in their groups. You can argue that this is a blessing in disguise because those people are idiots and I agree, but this means more time looking for a decent PF that doesn't have WHM locked out and this is bad. We can't ignore that there is also GOOD players that only follows the meta, even if not needed.

So even though we need more information about the job, I think the concern is valid. Even aesthetically speaking WHM's new skills seems underwhelming in comparison to AST.