It's 2017, when can we get a prominent LGBT character in the storyline?

[Abriael]

AA) It's easily done just like Mide and her lover (Alexander line) or Livia and her unrequited love for Gaius. Or the general rampant amount of sexual innuendo. It's really not that hard.

Funnily, the casual drop of that kind of "representation" caused massive rage against BioWare by those represented, and forced them to change a character dialogue to quell the flames. Because when it's not there, people complain, and when it's there, they complain that it's not enough or done well enough.

B) That there's quite a bit of anti-queer/anti-QUILTBAG sentiment expressed in this thread. "How dare you assume their gender!!?!1" meme. The general assumption and assertion that those who are genderqueer or do not fit the gender binary (Intersex, nonbinary, genderfluid) are just trying to be 'special snowflakes'.

It's not a meme. The overwhelmingly vast majority of the characters in the game don't show or express any gender identity or sexual preference, allowing the player to just think of them whatever they want. It's simply a fact.

[Kazrah]

To push a story. It's all to push a story....

Every relationship among NPCs in the game, every answer for "these relationships in the game, but this isn't"....it's all for the purpose of moving a story along. Could be main story, side story or even just some random NPC remark, but it's always to move a story along.

To have some sort of an LGBTQ character would require it to be that way for the purpose of a story, not because someone following the story wills it to happen. It's not something that can or should be Iceman'ed (Marvel saying "oh, this character's gay now"); there has to be a reason with respect to a particular story for such a circumstance to exist within it.

[ErikMynhier]

[Mirateski]

A+ troll thread Skyrior, 10/10 please don't do it again.

I feel like a lot of the negative comments in this thread can be summed up with "I'm ok with the gay, so long as it's happening somewhere I can't see it" and "I naturally parse het relationships as normal, and thus feel like there aren't that many being shown in the game".

I have a lot of problems with GW2, but it does a bang-up job on the QUILTBAG front. Had a trans npc in New Lion's Arch (and people were only angry after the trans folks went "omfg she's trans!" and suddenly that NPC was UNNACCEPTABLE!!!) and a lesbian couple within the Living World story that doesn't feel shoehorned at all.

I mean, would people have complained if Moenbryda had been hitting on Minfilia instead of Thancred? Is it somehow wrong for Alisaie to turn out to be gay? We all know the 3.0 storyline was something of a coming-of-age for Alphinaud after all, it would make sense that we see something of the same for his sister in 4.0.

(as a trans person myself, it'd be nice to see a trans npc, but there's still always the issue of how to explicitly state that someone is trans without them screaming "MY PARENTS NAMED ME STEPHEN SO I GREW MY HAIR OUT AND NOW I'M STEPHANIE" which is just... awful)

[ExKage]

Funnily, the casual drop of that kind of "representation" caused massive rage against BioWare by those represented, and forced them to change a character dialogue to quell the flames. Because when it's not there, people complain, and when it's there, they complain that it's not enough or done well enough.



It's not a meme. The overwhelmingly vast majority of the characters in the game don't show or express any gender identity or sexual preference, allowing the player to just think of them whatever they want. It's simply a fact.

"How dare you assume their pronouns!" Has been casually used by the internet to make fun of anyone who has expressed that they are not along the gender binary. I don't think the casual use of it in response to this thread is "simply a fact."

[Abriael]

"How dare you assume their pronouns!" Has been casually used by the internet to make fun of anyone who has expressed that they are not along the gender binary. I don't think the casual use of it in response to this thread is "simply a fact."

Maybe you should not make assumptions here as well.

And by the way....

I don't know if you realize? But your use of "LGBTBBQFTW" is pretty mocking and that, and similar posts, are why I note the general anti-queer/anti-QUILTBAG sentiment that has been prevalent in this thread.

Nope. Though I see a lot of people raising eyebrows at those trying to push an evident political agenda on a game, while throwing around ample smatterings of overused acronyms and labels.

I will agree to disagree with you that it is agenda pushing. As I said, it's not hard or laborious to write so. It's just people are not OPEN to even thinking about them.

It's absolutely obvious agenda pushing. The whole essence and point of this thread is to push an agenda, not to further the game's story or characters.

I quote:

"Square Enix, it is 2017. It's about time you, as a massive corporation with huge worldwide influence and an enviable fanbase size, make a statement that promotes love and triumphs against hate. By doing so you will not only make your fanbase proud, you'll also take a stance against the evils of this world and cast light upon the shadows of society. Defeating homophobia and transphobia starts here, today, in Eorzea.

Trying to paint this as anything else than a political agenda is utterly ridiculous, and simply disingenuous. There is absolutely nothing strange in the fact that disingenuity is met with disfavor.

[Esper]

What about the barber? I think he is rather flamboyant and they've hinted at such in moogle mail quests

[ExKage]

To push a story. It's all to push a story....

Every relationship among NPCs in the game, every answer for "these relationships in the game, but this isn't"....it's all for the purpose of moving a story along. Could be main story, side story or even just some random NPC remark, but it's always to move a story along.

To have some sort of an LGBTQ character would require it to be that way for the purpose of a story, not because someone following the story wills it to happen. It's not something that can or should be Iceman'ed (Marvel saying "oh, this character's gay now"); there has to be a reason with respect to a particular story for such a circumstance to exist within it.

How did Livia being in love with Gaius move the story? Would it have made an impact on the story if both of them were male or both were female?

Did the explanation of 1.0/2.0 Nael really change or move the story?

How does Mide and Dayan being a heterosexual couple affect the story that Mide and Dayana would make it any lesser? Why would it move it along any less?

[Texa]

I'll have you all know I'm super same-sex married to Tataru. Of course nobody would know because the ring I bought her was to large for her to wear casually.

THAT'S RIGHT!!! IT'S A DIAMOND RING MADE OF DIAMOND!!!

Get wrecked, Wedge.

[ExKage]

It's absolutely obvious agenda pushing. The whole essence and point of this thread is to push an agenda, not to further the game's story or characters.

I quote:
Trying to paint this as anything else than a political agenda is utterly ridiculous, and simply disingenuous. There is absolutely nothing strange in the fact that disingenuity is met with disfavor.

I specifically said I am not demanding any sort of representation but I have said why I think it's not actually a hard task. I think people just need to think openly. Stories always seem to be written with a narrow view in mind. Yes, a straight heterosexual romance is usually what people come to mind when they think "I'll give them a romantic attraction." People simply ask if people would remember that it's not the only thing there.

I use QUILTBAG or queer because not everyone is comfortable with queer and I respect that. Society put labels on everyone long before queers or those in QUILTBAG ever wanted to have an identity to claim to represent who they are.

I'm surprised that you're taking any post by Skyrior with anything more than a grain of salt honestly.