What should I infuse my blm with?

[Silverquick]

Well we do use the same gear... and I'm wondering how I'll play it too.

I dont' think I can cover both SMN and BLM needs at the same time, but Summoner is definitely my main.

Summoner and Black Mage share the same gear and all my Materia is based on Summoner choices not BLM.

I went with mostly Crit (which we share a desire for as SMN and BLM)... but... because the Summoner has Ruin 3 and it costs about 1000 MP to use it outside of Dreadwyrm. As a SMN you stack Piety because the damage Ruin 3 does is so good that you WANT to use it outside Dreadwyrm and your DPS numbers will definitely show it.

So I packed a lot of Piety Materia on as well... so as to where most SMNs will have 9000 MP I've actually got a full 10,000 MP which is another full Ruin 3 over and above any other Summoner, and I never run out of MP to cast Ruin 3 with. (Come close in the Lava Scorp fight though in Sohm Al Expert).

My Crit is at 1050, but Spell speed is only 677 unless I swap for the Shire Hat, which drops my Crit to about 990 and raises Spell Speed to 720.

I am thinking this gear will probably be ok for BLM too, as it will probably affect the number of Fire IVs in the Enochian Fire Cycle.

[zcrash970]

You melded piety on a caster!?
I think my mind just exploded

[Silverquick]

You melded piety on a caster!?
I think my mind just exploded

Absolutely...

Its why I can do 5 Fire IV's instead of 4 Fire IVs as a BLM, and have 10.5k MP where other SMNs only have 9.5k, ie a full Ruin 3 more than they do.

[Neela]

Absolutely...

Its why I can do 5 Fire IV's instead of 4 Fire IVs as a BLM, and have 10.5k MP where other SMNs only have 9.5k, ie a full Ruin 3 more than they do.

I got two builds for my smn the raid one with 1270 crit 590 det 746 ss and a casual time stasis build with 830 crit 615 det 1250 ss. even with 1250 ss I never felt the need of extra piety one more fire 4 or ruin 3 isnt worth the loss in crit/ss for more mp. although I like exotic builds please don't spread that piety is the stat to go for caster (smn)... it definitely isnt and will never be a primary of the casters secondaries : o

My Crit is at 1050, but Spell speed is only 677 unless I swap for the Shire Hat, which drops my Crit to about 990 and raises Spell Speed to 720.

im kinda lost in trying to get your mindset of your smn stat build... you melt piety for "an extra ruin lll" out of trance but you don't have enough spell speed for the common "extra ruin lll" while being in trance... way more effective would be to raise your spellspeed at least to 745+ to get the 5th trance ruin lll - decreasing your piety... the right usage of aether flow and energy drain should be enough for okay-ish mp management.

[Silverquick]

I got two builds for my smn the raid one with 1270 crit 590 det 746 ss and a casual time stasis build with 830 crit 615 det 1250 ss. even with 1250 ss I never felt the need of extra piety one more fire 4 or ruin 3 isnt worth the loss in crit/ss for more mp. although I like exotic builds please don't spread that piety is the stat to go for caster (smn)... it definitely isnt and will never be a primary of the casters secondaries : o

im kinda lost in trying to get your mindset of your smn stat build... you melt piety for "an extra ruin lll" out of trance but you don't have enough spell speed for the common "extra ruin lll" while being in trance... way more effective would be to raise your spellspeed at least to 745+ to get the 5th trance ruin lll - decreasing your piety... the right usage of aether flow and energy drain should be enough for okay-ish mp management.

....Says the person who was *shocked* people used Ruin 3 outsided of Trance in the first place...

.....who apparently didn't realize you actually CAN use it out of Trace and be doing constant 200 potency single target damage... instead of 80 potency single target damage. No wonder YOU don't think you need Piety gear.

News flash... people moved on from the original guides once they realized you can get enough MP to do constant Ruin 3 spam outside of DWT.

I can't even believe you get any DPS at all just using Ruin 2 or Ruin1.... without using Ruin 3 outside of trance. I outdamage the crap out of any SMN who uses that method.

Neela you haven't had any credibility with me since damn near the day I got because NONE of the things you do have turned out to do much DPS. Or they get wrecked when you actually go out and use them for real in an actual combat situation.

So of all people here... you are the LAST person I would ever take any advice from.

You get Hard locked into whatever someone else "said" to do and never bother to question it. So you get stuck there.

I will take my build any day of the week over yours.

PS: I should probably let everyone know I have about +110 Piety from Anima Weapon and Melds, its how I actually got to 10K+ MP. Its how I maintain such high Crit using other melds....and still have decent DET and SS.

[Neela]

....Says the person who was *shocked* people used Ruin 3 outsided of Trance in the first place...

sorry but... lol? I play SMN since ARR and I use Ruin lll out of Trance since HW, not like others way later with the Ruin lll buff. I also got the first crit/ss Anima way before the stat-weight update which brought ss to casters mind. I think im way, way more in touch with this cls than you think you are. and no, I don't know why you take every single post from me personal... but honestly piety for smns is a waste... even a more bigger waste on a smn Anima...

News flash... people moved on from the original guides once they realized you can get enough MP to do constant Ruin 3 spam outside of DWT.
I can't even believe you get any DPS at all just using Ruin 2 or Ruin1.... without using Ruin 3 outside of trance. I outdamage the crap out of any SMN who uses that method.

#newsflash

ruin lll out of trance is a common thing since months - every smn should do that, nothing new - and believe me... you won't outdamage any other common smn build with more than 740+ss // there is absolut no way where piety would be more effective for smns than crit/ss. Beat a common 3.2k raid-dps or a 26k deathflare (hell yay deathflare - NOT Teraflare) with your piety build... good luck with that...

I will take my build any day of the week over yours.

PS: I should probably let everyone know I have about +110 Piety from Anima Weapon and Melds, its how I actually got to 10K+ MP. Its how I maintain such high Crit using other melds....and still have decent DET and SS.

take whatever you want o.o just be aware that your build is highly ineffective compared to others... I have no probs with fun-builds like everybody should know meanwhile. but your comments, formulars, math and recommendations for smns... are often outdated or false advertising... yet again im not here to bully or anything but it just hurts reading so much "wisdom".

[Silverquick]

take whatever you want o.o just be aware that your build is highly ineffective compared to others... I have no probs with fun-builds like everybody should know meanwhile. but your comments, formulars, math and recommendations for smns... are often outdated or false advertising... yet again im not here to bully or anything but it just hurts reading so much "wisdom".

Ohhh that's must be why I'm outdamaging the other Summoners around me...

I totally didn't listen to you...

Guess what Neela... reality and your wishful thinking dream world... didn't meet up.

[Silverquick]

ruin lll out of trance is a common thing since months - every smn should do that, nothing new - and believe me... .

Yeah.... that was me that told you that "months" ago...

And you were shocked. You and about half the other older Summoners here about crapped your pants over it.

Oh but NOW its "the thing" isn't it?

[Mairissa]

....Says the person who was *shocked* people used Ruin 3 outsided of Trance in the first place...

.....who apparently didn't realize you actually CAN use it out of Trace and be doing constant 200 potency single target damage... instead of 80 potency single target damage. No wonder YOU don't think you need Piety gear.

News flash... people moved on from the original guides once they realized you can get enough MP to do constant Ruin 3 spam outside of DWT.


PS: I should probably let everyone know I have about +110 Piety from Anima Weapon and Melds, its how I actually got to 10K+ MP. Its how I maintain such high Crit using other melds....and still have decent DET and SS.

It is VERY easy to show just how much damage you actually loose.

Let's take this build, which is very close to BiS http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/10N4F
We have 1238 crit, 700 ss (enough for one more Ruin3 in Trance), 228 Piety

And let's meld 110 Piety into it. Since crit is better than ss, I will first replace ss. I got something like that: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/10N4O
We got 1238 crit, 590 ss (we LOOSE one extra Ruin 3 in trance), 337 Piety.

1 Piety=8 mana. We got 109*11=1199 extra mana at strat. 1 extra Ruin3 out of trance.
Mana regenerates at the rate of 2% each server tick. It means 109 Piety lets us regenerate 1199*0.02*20=480 mana per minute. So we get 1 extra Ruin3 each 2 minutes. BUT we loose 1 Ruin3 every minute because we don't have enough ss to cast one more Ruin3 in trance.

So if we take a 10 minutes fight we loose 10-5+1=4 Ruins3 (we loose 10 Ruins out of trance and get 5 Ruins due to MP regen and 1 Ruin3 in the beginning).

And I didn't even count in loss of potency of our DoTs due to lower SS.

[Silverquick]

And let's meld 110 Piety into it. Since crit is better than ss, I will first replace ss. I got something like that: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/10N4O
We got 1238 crit, 590 ss (we LOOSE one extra Ruin 3 in trance), 337 Piety.

OOoo Ahhh...

....you gained a whopping 300 damage... At max in any boss mob fight that is not a raid you can do about 3 Deathflares maybe 4 with good spell speed.... that's a whopping 900 damage... maybe 1200....

You just outdamaged the crap out of me didn't you? Lol

And I actually threw in an extra Ruin 3 (probably a lot more than 1)... for about 3000 damage.

Congratulations...