PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Naunet]

"Healers are watching Netflix" is exaggeration, obviously, but if you need to constantly be on the lookout to the point where your hands quiver and you just can't press GCDs while using your eyes then maybe healer isn't the role for you in this game.

Talk about exaggeration...

[SpookyGhost]

Talk about exaggeration...

That actually wasn't exaggeration as it's the only situation in which I can imagine someone not pressing GCDs while also using their eyeballs.

[Hamada]

Yeah, sure... :P



Edit:

This is me "healing" afk with /idlecam on: https://youtu.be/jBgMe5uHPsE?t=16m15s

This is the best thing I seen with regards to this game, and thank you for teaching me and my friends about the /icam command

Friend said this was a better icam part though:
https://youtu.be/jBgMe5uHPsE?t=565

[bounddreamer]

It really isn't BS. Usually when I'm healing a dungeon I'm doing something outside of the game. I'm not even looking at my screen while I DPS. And yet my party doesn't die. It is not too hard to imagine that someone is "watching Netflix" if they're just standing there doing nothing.

Yeah I've literally watched YouTube for hours when farming A1S for light. Kept party alive and also added dps. I wish I was exaggerating.

[Taika]

This is the best thing I seen with regards to this game, and thank you for teaching me and my friends about the /icam command

It's a crucial part of every non-dps healer rotation!

Nice overheal %. :^)

Yup, 36% overheal while 17% activity in current expert with a tank who had never tanked the dungeon before and didn't have any gear from current patch...

[Hamada]

It's a crucial part of every non-dps healer rotation!

LAMO, oh you missed my edit, maybe show this part next time XD
https://youtu.be/jBgMe5uHPsE?t=565

Anyways thanks for posting, always did wanted to see the person that made that :3

[akaneakki]

Healing requires attention.

Yeah, sure... :P



Edit:

This is me "healing" afk with /idlecam on: https://youtu.be/jBgMe5uHPsE?t=16m15s

LOL. I'm so dead! Looks pretty good with idlecam too actually hahaha. I guess the healing requires a lot of attention huh? xD

[LunaFaye]

People are definitely entitled to play in whatever fashion they desire. That said, they can't guarantee that there won't be ramifications as a result of their chosen playstyle.

If, for instance, I saw someone on healer jumping around like a loony and not actually contributing anything whatsoever to the group, I would likely ask that they put in a little bit more effort for the sake of the run. If the response is negative, rather than "tolerating or ignoring it," there is a third option - and considering that this third option requires a majority agreement, I don't think there is anything wrong with using it.

Oh I agree with that, but that's a complete different circumstance, I was more pointing out that people might end up being bias, before the dungeon run even started.


Let's say you get into the dungeon, normally in the first one or two pulls, a healer doesn't dps. Because most of these times he healer want to look at the groups and especially tanks behavior, taking a closer look what they do need to prepare for.

Knowing the community (not everybody or the majority but a good amount of people) that will already have made up their mind, no matter how the run might progress, keeping a close look at the timer. After 15 minutes passed, healer gets kicked with the mindset that because cleric stance is removed, that healer needs to do a good amount of damage or any damage.

And that is the situation were I was saying, please calm your horses and look at the whole situation, instead of just pointing out what the healer might or might not be doing during that run, and if someone finds them self in that kind of situation, we shouldn't encourage people to kick others because they need to enforce a play style, that has nothing to do with the actual removal of cleric stance and shouldn't be pushed as their own private battle, for whatever reasons.

Removing cleric stance is great, but it shouldn't turn into a witch hunt, thinking that because it has been removed it's now official indicator that healers have to dps. It's also not a written law/rule anywhere and in my personal opinion shouldn't be enforced like that aka kick all healers that don't dps in sb, right off the bat.

If a healer stands around doing nothing, just like any other party member in that case, deserves to be kicked, but that wasn't what I tried to discuss.

[ValarianHeartbreaker]

To the people defending the "no DPS since I'm a healer" stance, I just hope that, someday, you group with a summoner, you die, and then, when asking for him to raise you, he goes "Sorry, I play a dps to dps, not heal or do a healer's job."

Healing might be your MAIN role, but it's not your ONLY role.

Just like bards and mechs, summoners and ninjas with their goad, your main function might be to keep everyone alive, but you can do other stuff to help your group.

[missybee]

Snip!

I can only speak for myself, but I would never just kick someone for not DPSing after the first pull, for instance. There are myriad reasons why they might not be able to DPS initially, and I try not to be super quick to judge.

Personally, my beef is more with the people who are already insisting that they won't even try when Stormblood rolls out. I find the "you don't pay my sub" mentality to be insufferable, particularly considering that most things in XIV are team-based.