PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Pancakesplease]

That reason is why a LOT of people aren't running healers in this game, the expectations on the healer are enormous, when compared to say a DPS class.

[Tobalito]

The Hypocrisy in this thread is hilarious to say the least. think about this for a second. please tell healers they should be dpsing and if they dont listen then, its ok to kick. How can you tell a healer what to do if they aren't listening I say kick em!!.... *does not listen to Yoshi P saying healer dps is not needed or necessary*

[ToasterMan]

Well I guess its time to quit healing then. I signed up to heal. Not be a half assed DPS.

[akaneakki]

Well I guess its time to quit healing then. I signed up to heal. Not be a half assed DPS.

Healer is about making sure the group have the HP to survive at the same time to make sure they survive easier, a dead mob is better for the whole group, Less cd from tank, less healing = less mechanics. What is there to heal when you can do a whole expert dungeon with just eos doing the heal? You said you sign up being a healer, but what excactly are you healing when everyone has 80% or more hp?

That reason is why a LOT of people aren't running healers in this game, the expectations on the healer are enormous, when compared to say a DPS class.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
No seriously, whaaaaaaaat? Tanks and dps have way more pressure than healers so please.

[Raikki]

That reason is why a LOT of people aren't running healers in this game, the expectations on the healer are enormous, when compared to say a DPS class.

This has never been my experience and I've healed a lot in this game. Healer DPS tends to be very rhythmic and easy to get the hang of, and damage that needs to be healed tends to come in very predictable spikes. If you're not familiar with when those spikes are, you can play it more cautious while you learn how far you can push your DPS, but I've never ever seen a healer called out for doing a conservative amount of DPS instead of an optimal amount. The only ones that get called out are the healers you see just standing around doing nothing most of the time or overzealously casting big heals on people with full or near-full HP already. Even those healers seldom get a word said in their direction.

The Hypocrisy in this thread is hilarious to say the least. think about this for a second. please tell healers they should be dpsing and if they dont listen then, its ok to kick. How can you tell a healer what to do if they aren't listening I say kick em!!.... *does not listen to Yoshi P saying healer dps is not needed or necessary*

"Healer DPS is not needed"... Sure and I don't have to use my AOEs... or keep my GCD spinning... or use buffs... Those are all technically "optional" but I'm bad if I play that way, just like healers are bad if they don't try to use the potential of their class. The fact that they're changing healer nukes to be MND-based to remove the need to stance dance, and are removing acc requirements so healers don't have to worry about melding acc anymore, only goes to prove that SE has embraced healer DPS and it's time to retire that argument. They're even getting a role ability that gives them a damage buff!

Look at WHM's Heavensward job additions:
- Stone III: Damage
- Aero III: Damage
- Assize: Hybrid Damage or Heal
- Asylum: Extra HoT can keep ticking heals while you're in Cleric
- Tetragrammaton: Instant cast big heal lets you push DPS even further before switching back out of Cleric

3 of them explicitly do damage and the other 2 make DPS easier.

[Crysten]

Well I guess its time to quit healing then. I signed up to heal. Not be a half assed DPS.

Don't let the Stone III hit you on the way out~

Seriously though, if you can't see the healing benefits of spamming Holy as a "half assed DPS" for 10 seconds then I don't know what to tell you.

[Tobalito]

"Healer DPS is not needed"... Sure and I don't have to use my AOEs... or keep my GCD spinning... or use buffs... Those are all technically "optional" but I'm bad if I play that way, just like healers are bad if they don't try to use the potential of their class. The fact that they're changing healer nukes to be MND-based to remove the need to stance dance, and are removing acc requirements so healers don't have to worry about melding acc anymore, only goes to prove that SE has embraced healer DPS and it's time to retire that argument. They're even getting a role ability that gives them a damage buff!

Oh I understand fully, and trust me I love to DPS as a scholar, it does make runs go by so much faster. That being said with all these changes you stated, Yoshi still says its Optional. A healers job is to keep people alive, that is it. If they want to use their damaging abilities thats fine, its even ok to let them know as many healers going into a healing role may think it unwise to not be dedicated to only healing on a healing role lol. It is not ok to call a healer lazy or bad if they choose not to. They kept you alive, they did their job. Yoshi has even stated that he wants Cleric stance out of the game, but people would be up in arms if they took away healer dps which is why this has all been kept in in the first place.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Oh I understand fully, and trust me I love to DPS as a scholar, it does make runs go by so much faster. That being said with all these changes you stated, Yoshi still says its Optional. A healers job is to keep people alive, that is it. If they want to use their damaging abilities thats fine, its even ok to let them know as many healers going into a healing role may think it unwise to not be dedicated to only healing on a healing role lol. It is not ok to call a healer lazy or bad if they choose not to. They kept you alive, they did their job. Yoshi has even stated that he wants Cleric stance out of the game, but people would be up in arms if they took away healer dps which is why this has all been kept in in the first place.

He's being diplomatic because it serves no benefit for the lead developer to tell players how to play, regardless of their whole. If you are going to keep echoing the sentiment healer DPS is entirely optional, I trust you don't complain about Ice Mages or tanks not using cooldowns? You can't have both ways. Either those players are bad/lazy or it's simply their preferred playstyle.

[Riardon]

With the healer role Top Priority is haling and removing debuffs.
If you do that and there is room for DPSing you should dps a bit. Only then.
Saying you won't ever do DPS as healer is like saying you won't use your buffs as a DPS and spam only the basic rotation.
Yes it is your right to do so and you can do it but this doesn't mean you play it correctly and efficiently.
Same goes for tanks who never use their shield buffs when they pull more than 2-3 mobs.
Yes you don't "have to" but this doesn't mean you shouldn't.
Still priority with healer is to keep everyone alive and debuff and DPS only when you have room and time for this.
Remember if you think Healer doesn't have to do DPS at all then Tanks don't have to use CDs ever and DPS doesn't have to use their buffs and advanced rotations since spamming lets only only their basic 1-2-3 combo is good enough.
Everyone must play their role to it's full potential as much as they can.

[Raikki]

That being said with all these changes you stated, Yoshi still says its Optional. A healers job is to keep people alive, that is it. If they want to use their damaging abilities thats fine, its even ok to let them know as many healers going into a healing role may think it unwise to not be dedicated to only healing on a healing role lol. It is not ok to call a healer lazy or bad if they choose not to. They kept you alive, they did their job. Yoshi has even stated that he wants Cleric stance out of the game, but people would be up in arms if they took away healer dps which is why this has all been kept in in the first place.

So if I just do my 1-2-3 combo on DPS it's fine because Yoshi didn't say I had to do more? I mean, there's a 90 minute timer on the instance, it's ok if it takes 89:59 to clear it, we still accomplished the objective right?