PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Arrius]

Oh? Last time I checked, they said something about being able to dps freely without cleric stance and removing accuracy requirements, which makes
it even easier to dps as a healer. Also, Holy got nerfed because it was ridiculously OP. And it still is amazing even now.

No matter if you like it or not.

The accuracy changes were a global improvement (if I'd hazard a guess, it was because of those weird accuracy requirements on savage content), along with parry being obsolete and paladin blocking now also works on magic attacks.
Just because the healers can dps, doesn't mean they should.

Here, because people love to use this one:



Emphasis on may here, if you need to know what it means.

[Hamada]

The accuracy changes were a global improvement (if I'd hazard a guess, it was because of those weird accuracy requirements on savage content), along with parry being obsolete and paladin blocking now also works on magic attacks.Just because the healers can dps, doesn't mean they should.

Here, because people love to use this one:



Emphasis on may here, if you need to know what it means.

DPS should DPS then?

This is a problem with people that can't get a full picture and tell people what is wrong. If a healer is running out of mp, it is a HIGH CHANCE there is a DPS problem. A good example was last week when my friend took whm to expert. Every pull she OOM, and she knew it was because the brd was very bad. (wide volley spam, no dot spread, so on) So after OOM on the first boss she said ballad me, and spamed holy(trash ofc) and such more to make up for the brd's lack of DPS.

If a healer is running out of MP it can be for the following reasons:
Tank is bad/ undergeared/ ilevel bypassing/ not using CDS/ standing in too much bad
DPS are not doing enough damage/ilevel bypassing/ using wrong rotations/ not using buffs/improper secondaries
Healer overhealing/ healer overdpsing (holy overlaping stuns can be an issue, if you do not space it out so monsters have the full stun effect, then people take more damage then need be)

A good healer should be able point out those problems, work out a solution, or back off on dps.

Healers need to DPS if you are trying world first, other then that no they do not need to, but I will find it insulting just to stand there doing a single action 20 sec-1 min. I done A1S farming as a solo healer where cleminty here and there and selene was the only healing going on.

i270 brd too

If you are standing around doing nothing, then you will be kicked in my party. It is also not enjoyable to spam heals to heal someone to only recover 100 hp or less each time. If tanks can't hit 1 button a minute and get away with it, or dps, healers shouldn't.

I have the option to DPS off auto attacks, how would most feel about that?

[Faliandra]

The accuracy changes were a global improvement (if I'd hazard a guess, it was because of those weird accuracy requirements on savage content), along with parry being obsolete and paladin blocking now also works on magic attacks.
Just because the healers can dps, doesn't mean they should.

Here, because people love to use this one:



Emphasis on may here, if you need to know what it means.

Yes, I understand that phrase perfectly. Thanks for pointing it out. Let me help you out there though:

"there may be time" in this case means there is a possibility of having time to do dps, It's a strong hint/suggestion: "hey, IF there is time, dps".

Wow, that was easy. Even me as a non-native english speaker got that.


So please tell me again how removing cleric stance was even a necessity if its sole purpose was to be used when soloing during quests/solo scenarios?


Unless your whole party is horribad, there will always be time to dps.

[Keydah]

Here, because people love to use this one:



Emphasis on may here, if you need to know what it means.

Not quite sure what point you're trying to prove here.

Nobody's trying to tell you to dps when you should be doing something else - they're saying to dps when you have the free time. That line says exactly what everyone else does - if there's time to dps, then dps. There MAY be time, and - guess what? - there is!

Just because the healers can dps, doesn't mean they should.

Just because the healers can get away with standing around contributing nothing to the party for 10-20 seconds between heals, doesn't mean they should.

[MomomiMomi]

Emphasis on may here, if you need to know what it means.

I think you may need help with your reading comprehension. Let me point this out for you, since I don't think you're understanding it:

It does not say "You may weave in some offensive magicks if there is time."

It says "There may be time to weave in some offensive magicks."

In any content other than the hardest, and even then, but I'll excuse players for that, there will be time. There's just no way around this. There is not enough incoming damage to require you to heal often.

[Zojha]

In any content other than the hardest, and even then, but I'll excuse players for that, there will be time. There's just no way around this. There is not enough incoming damage to require you to heal often.

And that's why all of SE's efforts to try and fight the DPS meta are and will be futile.

And on a side note: In the infamous content design interview, he implicitly asks DPS to please overgear the content to achieve the assumed item level and then bring 85-90% of their theoretical dummy potential in the live fight so that tanks only need to do their aggro combo and healers can poke their nose during pauses. That's bluntly asking DPS to please carry terribad healers and tanks. One should not expect DPS to just take that sort of bullshit.