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    I have a feeling this pld wing ability is basically their dissipation, but maybe with even less use. We'll probably find some minor niche use of it but otherwise it will go largely ignored. Maybe the OT could make use of it. It's bad enough it seems to be a dps loss for the tank but if it makes dps jobs move that would be a major less of raid dps. It can't be required for mitigation because as said that would make pld required for the fight so when is it realistically going to be used?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorumi View Post
    I have a feeling this pld wing ability is basically their dissipation, but maybe with even less use. We'll probably find some minor niche use of it but otherwise it will go largely ignored. Maybe the OT could make use of it. It's bad enough it seems to be a dps loss for the tank but if it makes dps jobs move that would be a major less of raid dps. It can't be required for mitigation because as said that would make pld required for the fight so when is it realistically going to be used?
    Yes, but the real question is how cool does it look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorumi View Post
    I have a feeling this pld wing ability is basically their dissipation, but maybe with even less use. We'll probably find some minor niche use of it but otherwise it will go largely ignored. Maybe the OT could make use of it. It's bad enough it seems to be a dps loss for the tank but if it makes dps jobs move that would be a major less of raid dps. It can't be required for mitigation because as said that would make pld required for the fight so when is it realistically going to be used?
    If a mechanic already requires the DPS to move, it can make them not need to move. 80000 split attack, 10000 to all 8 stacked, 11429 to all 7 stacked or 9715 in the wings, 13333 to all 6 11333 in the wings.
    Obviously numbers will be bigger than that, but this skill lets one person ignore a mechanic at an improvement over stacking without the wings or two people at only a negligible increase in damage to the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorumi View Post
    I have a feeling this pld wing ability is basically their dissipation, but maybe with even less use. We'll probably find some minor niche use of it but otherwise it will go largely ignored. Maybe the OT could make use of it. It's bad enough it seems to be a dps loss for the tank but if it makes dps jobs move that would be a major less of raid dps. It can't be required for mitigation because as said that would make pld required for the fight so when is it realistically going to be used?
    Is it bad to have some fight that actually need Pld?
    War always has their space as the best ST anyway. (which Pld will never good in that spot, so it is balance)

    It was Pld that really had no spot in party before, being stolen by both DRK and WAR.

    My opinion, the set up should be MT (Pld, DRK) and ST (WAR,DRK)

    Make it so that DRK is at the middle, so everyone has their space in the party. Pld is better at MT, while War is better at ST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alise View Post
    Is it bad to have some fight that actually need Pld?
    Yes.
    War always has their space as the best ST anyway. (which Pld will never good in that spot, so it is balance)
    WAR being required isn't a good thing either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alise View Post
    Is it bad to have some fight that actually need Pld?
    Yes. With proper balance the choice of tank combo should come down to what people want to play. Warrior shouldn't have a guaranteed spot(and I play one mind you), nor drk, nor pld. When forming a raid party people should be saying "we need two tanks" not "we need a drk and war".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorumi View Post
    Yes. With proper balance the choice of tank combo should come down to what people want to play. Warrior shouldn't have a guaranteed spot(and I play one mind you), nor drk, nor pld. When forming a raid party people should be saying "we need two tanks" not "we need a drk and war".
    The thing is that what happened before was "we need 2 of either DRK or WAR" -_-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alise View Post
    The thing is that what happened before was "we need 2 of either DRK or WAR" -_-
    Well, changing that to "we need 2 of either pld or war" doesn't really solve the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aleph_null View Post
    Well, changing that to "we need 2 of either pld or war" doesn't really solve the issue.
    Let's not turn into the healer forums here. We'll really have to see what DRK brings to the toolkit come 4.0 before we can really make any assumptions. My guess is that DRK will still be specialized with magical damage mitigation, and if I were to guess I think that barrier we saw in the trailer was used specifically for magical damage prevention (maybe like PLD's Divine Veil, where it is based off of the DRK's own health pool, but on a single target. Would also probably be a higher % than Divine Veil).
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    Quote Originally Posted by WayofTime View Post
    Let's not turn into the healer forums here. We'll really have to see what DRK brings to the toolkit come 4.0 before we can really make any assumptions. My guess is that DRK will still be specialized with magical damage mitigation, and if I were to guess I think that barrier we saw in the trailer was used specifically for magical damage prevention (maybe like PLD's Divine Veil, where it is based off of the DRK's own health pool, but on a single target. Would also probably be a higher % than Divine Veil).
    I think you're quoting the wrong person there

    Quote Originally Posted by Alise View Post
    Is it bad to have some fight that actually need Pld?
    War always has their space as the best ST anyway. (which Pld will never good in that spot, so it is balance)
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