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[Ghastly]

And Rabanastre is in the Ilsabard territory.

Official quotes

A: Now that you mention it, though, when Gaius first lands in Vylbrand, the voiced guy does say Othard. It stuck in my head because in another language he says he’s from Rabanastre.
KF: Guess where Rabanastre iiis! <laughs> There’s also a line in the Japanese version where they name-drop Dalmasss—<throat clearing> It’s not in English, but that’s where it is and maybe someday we’ll be seeing some of <heavy throat clearing>. But yes, that land bridge connects directly to Ilsabard. You cannot get to Othard from there without going through Ilsabard. So there’s the land bridge and it goes into Islabard <emphatic hand gestures>.
A: That’s what I thought at first, but someone asked in the forums and I was like, “Actually, no, I can’t say for sure…” But I went back and watched this old panel and you were doing the same <laughing> hand gestures and I was like, “Oh, man, it could be.”
KF: They got mad at me! They were like, “Don’t do that thing with your hands, people are looking into that!” Nooo, they’re nooot. “Yes, they are!”
F: And that‘s the guy <points at Anwyll> Right here.
A: Speaking of! We finally did find the other thing there with the uh, the Demon Tome. The hidden vertical “Cthulhu Fhtagn”. Took a while, but we got it!
KF: Thank you! But, yeah, in the end, think of [Aldenard into Ilsabard] as like, a LEGO brick with another one stuck onto it.

https://gamerescape.com/2016/04/28/l...o-the-chowder/

I don't hold the belief that Viera can't exist, nor do act like I work at SE and have some secret hidden information that you dont. I've simply countered your logic with publicly available research. I cannot say for certain that your idea won't happen, but if it does it would go against everything the devs have said, and be bad storytelling entirely designed to set up Viera, and that would probably create a negative backlash from the community, not a positive one (this thread is a small fraction of a larger community)

What public available information? You never quote or link anything. Bad story telling is subjective, I claim it's great story telling. They already did a poll about races and your claim that you have numbers pulled out of who knows where can't be taken seriously. Get some numbers, do some research. Majority is not proof because in a pool of 5 or so other options viera couldn't be the majority, only a plurality so proving majority/minority cannot be proven.

Miqo'te is not the majority yet we know they'd be as popular as viera using logic

I kinda expect it to be implied, but if it's outright mentioned in some way (in a way similar to how a character in FFT outright states that Moogles are extinct), that's fine to. Respects Ivalice lore and works for FFT.

Now, on the off chance Viera are confirmed, I cannot expect to see them in this game until 6.0. With 5.0 pretty much being the Garlean expansion (on a region dominated by Garleans), I can't imagine Viera appearing in this game until after (unless we see them mixed in with Garlean troops throughout 4.0) 5.X's completion. Since we have no idea what to expect on other regions that are to the west of Eorzea/Aldenard and east of Othard (and north of Islabard?), anything can be possible (there's not much lore about those places, aside from the Mamool Ja originally being from the "New World to the Far West" or something).

Doma/Ala mhigo are controlled by the Garleans yet you found different races there. The areas the Garleans control have no bearing as to what races can be there. If you played FFXII you'd understand how similar FFXIV Rabanastre and FFXII are. Both controlled by an empire.

[jameseoakes]

And Rabanastre is in the Ilsabard territory.

But it is almost certainly not actually the same place as the ones in 12

[Ghastly]

But it is almost certainly not actually the same place as the ones in 12

Who said they were?
That quote was directed at Nestama claiming we won't go to Rabanastre in 5.0

[Nestama]

Who said they were?
That quote was directed at Nestama claiming we won't go to Rabanastre in 5.0

I'm looking through my post you quoted and I'm not seeing what you apparently saw. I never claimed we weren't going to Rabanastre. I implied that with 5.0 most likely being in Islabard, we would have seen Viera by now (and 4.0 is the last chance for us to see them mixed in within Garlean troops. With some Viera being known wanderers, it's difficult to not believe that some may have been captured and indoctrinated). If we don't see them in 4.0 and 5.0, then 6.0 is the most likely chance of ever seeing them potentially being a playable race. "New World" new lore.

And that's assuming the Garleans don't outright exterminate them because they think they're Beastmen or something.

[Lambdafish]

What public available information? You never quote or link anything.

Seriously? There have been quotes from Yoshi P, analysis of the Ivalice timeline, comparisons between FFT and FFXII, explanations of the lore of Ivalice, not just by me but by those who agree with me. Yoshi P doesn't like Viera, hasn't put a race in Stormblood, and we know that races take a massive of work to put in, on top of that we know that the new raid will be based on the original FFT and will have to have some grounding in Eorzea lore. If you want the sources, the numbers and the research, it has all been posted in this thread, go back and find it.

Oh, and the poll that you keep referencing was put forth towards 1.0 players, that's how long ago it was, the truth is that we no longer have any clue how popular the race is.

Whatever information you want to pick and choose from to fit your ideas doesn't concern me, but I know that come 4.1 there will be threads saying "Wheres Viera?"

[Ghastly]

Seriously? There have been quotes from Yoshi P, analysis of the Ivalice timeline, comparisons between FFT and FFXII, explanations of the lore of Ivalice, not just by me but by those who agree with me. Yoshi P doesn't like Viera, hasn't put a race in Stormblood, and we know that races take a massive of work to put in, on top of that we know that the new raid will be based on the original FFT and will have to have some grounding in Eorzea lore. If you want the sources, the numbers and the research, it has all been posted in this thread, go back and find it.

Oh, and the poll that you keep referencing was put forth towards 1.0 players, that's how long ago it was, the truth is that we no longer have any clue how popular the race is.

Whatever information you want to pick and choose from to fit your ideas doesn't concern me, but I know that come 4.0 there will be threads saying "Wheres Viera?"

Yes seriously.

Do you know how long a census lasts? It lasts 10 years. Scientific polls have validity for a long period of time. That's why they are scientific, they poll a large pool of what FF fan is and that doesn't change year to year. That only gradually changes year to year. Please do some research on what scientific polls mean. Furthermore, there was a more recent poll done on reddit where the majority would play them http://www.strawpoll.me/4210217/r . Adding a race is made years in advance. Doing a poll last year/this year would get in the way of their story/blueprint. So that poll was relevant for the years they were considering the next race (2015-2016). A poll for 2017 wouldn't allow them to plan ahead.

Your FFT/FFXII comparison was already proven false since they exist in A and A2. Yoshi-P preferred au ra over viera, that doesn't mean he doesn't like them. At the end of that au ra/viera discussion he said "however if you want another race please let us know" so he's not 100% against them. Do I have to find that quote again?

The work it takes to add a new race doesn't matter to Yoshida. He already asked us to let him know which race we want in the future.

You have no sources left, they were already proven false.

[Lambdafish]

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The community for 4.0 is largely different to the community of 1.0, we are playing a very different game. This isn't an issue of census rules, and this isn't a scientific poll. The fact of the matter is that the landscape of this game has changed drastically since 1.0 to the point where you could say that this is a completely different game. As for the straw poll, it has 500 responses, hardly an adequate number to gauge anything.

Also, I don't remember the FFT comparison proven false, A and A2 are very different games, that don't share themes with the original. If Yoshi P was looking at those games he would have specified.

I'm getting deja vu from this discussion, and you will continue to pick and choose your facts, and I can't stop that. I'm going to drop it because ultimately it doesn't matter, you can live with your ideas and I can live with my research.

[Ghastly]

The community for 4.0 is largely different to the community of 1.0, we are playing a very different game. This isn't an issue of census rules, and this isn't a scientific poll. The fact of the matter is that the landscape of this game has changed drastically since 1.0 to the point where you could say that this is a completely different game. As for the straw poll, it has 500 responses, hardly an adequate number to gauge anything.

Also, I don't remember the FFT comparison proven false, A and A2 are very different games, that don't share themes with the original. If Yoshi P was looking at those games he would have specified.

I'm getting deja vu from this discussion, and you will continue to pick and choose your facts, and I can't stop that. I'm going to drop it because ultimately it doesn't matter, you can live with your ideas and I can live with my research.

The population in a scientific way hasn't changed. Let's say there were 1.5 million subscribers in 2013 (near the official poll) and let's say there are 3 million subscribers now. Scientifically you get the same kind of people (many of the same type of people). The FF fan categories don't change just because you add more people. It gradually changes but not form 1 polar opposite (plurality wanted viera) to a polar opposite of they're one of the least wanted races.

This is what you're proposing and is scientifically and factually wrong.

I can tell you never took any statistics classes in school. I advice you to take them.

FFT A and A2 are part of the FFT series so you cannot say 100% that they won't be part of Return to Ivalice unless you're Yoshida himself.

This is the second time you've tried to pass factually wrong information as if it was fact. Even when I quote Yoshida himself asking us to show support for the next race.

I'm glad you finally realized that your "facts" are nothing more than attempts to get into Yoshida's mind and interpret what he didn't say.

[Khaoticsuccubus]

Seriously? There have been quotes from Yoshi P, analysis of the Ivalice timeline, comparisons between FFT and FFXII, explanations of the lore of Ivalice, not just by me but by those who agree with me. Yoshi P doesn't like Viera, hasn't put a race in Stormblood, and we know that races take a massive of work to put in, on top of that we know that the new raid will be based on the original FFT and will have to have some grounding in Eorzea lore. If you want the sources, the numbers and the research, it has all been posted in this thread, go back and find it.

Oh, and the poll that you keep referencing was put forth towards 1.0 players, that's how long ago it was, the truth is that we no longer have any clue how popular the race is.

Whatever information you want to pick and choose from to fit your ideas doesn't concern me, but I know that come 4.1 there will be threads saying "Wheres Viera?"

You know, I don't think I remember them ever complaining about the work it took to put Au'ra in. Not putting a new race in Stormblood wasn't some indication that they are more work than they're worth.

If you've played WoW at all (the game YoshiP largely drew inspiration from to revamp this one), blizzard has kept a kinda rotation going in regards to race/class for expansions, rotating them every other xpac. Exceptions being the panda xpac, which blizz has expressed regret towards them, and WoD xpac, which had neither and was the worst xpac of WoW's history.

Anyways, the thing that ran them ragged in Heavensward wasn't adding a new race, it was putting in 3 new jobs at the same time and all the balancing nightmares it gave them. Given they were heals, tank, and dps as well. I fully expect them to add a new race in 5.0, whether that race is Viera or not well, who knows.