Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

[Nestama]

You say it's a perfect bridge, I say it would be bad storytelling/lore making (make something exist and playable just because! It doesn't matter why Viera would suddenly want to live in a world they know nothing about, nor how everyone native to Hydaelyn will treat this).

[Khaoticsuccubus]

They said that the ascians would not play a big role in the MSQ or the overall plot of Stormblood, side stories are fair game. Given that this is an Ivalice raid, their appearance would make sense.

Aaah right right,that was it. Lol, guess this ascian will be the hydrus of stormblood ;P


To be perfectly honest, as much as I would kill to have viera in 14, I would not be surprised if they did put viera into this 24 man's lore in some way.... as some sorta now extinct race for one reason or another just to shut down any more requests for them. The same way they killed any chance of new egi's beyond the main 3 outta the game with the first HW summoner quest. Would not surprise me at all.

[Ghastly]

Aaah right right,that was it. Lol, guess this ascian will be the hydrus of stormblood ;P


To be perfectly honest, as much as I would kill to have viera in 14, I would not be surprised if they did put viera into this 24 man's lore in some way.... as some sorta now extinct race for one reason or another just to shut down any more requests for them. The same way they killed any chance of new egi's beyond the main 3 outta the game with the first HW summoner quest. Would not surprise me at all.

If that's what they do I'm actually fine with it. As long as it's their decision and not people here acting like they work for square enix and saying viera can't exist in Return to Ivalice. At least, unlike those people, I'm open minded to whatever the devs want to do.

That would be an interesting twist, can't wait to see what happens

[Ayer2015]

If they do added them at some point, can we please get the tree city too..... I would die.

[Keridwyn]

To be perfectly honest, as much as I would kill to have viera in 14, I would not be surprised if they did put viera into this 24 man's lore in some way.... as some sorta now extinct race for one reason or another just to shut down any more requests for them.

If the dev team chose to do that, it's fine. Honestly I'd also be perfectly okay if Viera were NOT tied to RtI at all. In fact I'd probably be happy if the the dev team were to put their own spin on them, give them a different name and point of origin so that they're tied more firmly to FFXIV in the same way the Miqo'te are. Again, the whole point of my support in this thread is that if the Dev team chooses to add another race in the future I'd like them to reconsider this one. I'm not making demands, I'm not trying to be forceful and others shouldn't be either, no matter what side of the debate they're on.

[Nestama]

To be perfectly honest, as much as I would kill to have viera in 14, I would not be surprised if they did put viera into this 24 man's lore in some way.... as some sorta now extinct race for one reason or another just to shut down any more requests for them. The same way they killed any chance of new egi's beyond the main 3 outta the game with the first HW summoner quest. Would not surprise me at all.

I kinda expect it to be implied, but if it's outright mentioned in some way (in a way similar to how a character in FFT outright states that Moogles are extinct), that's fine to. Respects Ivalice lore and works for FFT.

Now, on the off chance Viera are confirmed, I cannot expect to see them in this game until 6.0. With 5.0 pretty much being the Garlean expansion (on a region dominated by Garleans), I can't imagine Viera appearing in this game until after (unless we see them mixed in with Garlean troops throughout 4.0) 5.X's completion. Since we have no idea what to expect on other regions that are to the west of Eorzea/Aldenard and east of Othard (and north of Islabard?), anything can be possible (there's not much lore about those places, aside from the Mamool Ja originally being from the "New World to the Far West" or something).

[Lambdafish]

If that's what they do I'm actually fine with it. As long as it's their decision and not people here acting like they work for square enix and saying viera can't exist in Return to Ivalice. At least, unlike those people, I'm open minded to whatever the devs want to do.

That would be an interesting twist, can't wait to see what happens

I don't hold the belief that Viera can't exist, nor do act like I work at SE and have some secret hidden information that you dont. I've simply countered your logic with publicly available research. I cannot say for certain that your idea won't happen, but if it does it would go against everything the devs have said, and be bad storytelling entirely designed to set up Viera, and that would probably create a negative backlash from the community, not a positive one (this thread is a small fraction of a larger community)

[Vexander]

Now, on the off chance Viera are confirmed, I cannot expect to see them in this game until 6.0. With 5.0 pretty much being the Garlean expansion

I keep seeing this thrown around a lot, and I can only ask where people are getting that from. I mean, its fine to speculate but in one of the Live Letters, Yoshi P. stated the current expansions (3.0 to 5.0) are telling the story of the rebuilding of the Eorzean Alliance. 3.0 was about Ishgard, 4.0 will be about Ala Mhigo, which only leaves out Sharlayan for 5.0. Seems more likely we'd go after the Garleans in 6.0 rather than 5.0, and the Lorebook states that Sharlayan's population is racially diverse, so we have no idea what races are there and in what numbers. Could be there is a Viera-Like race living on Old Sharlayan.

[Lambdafish]

I keep seeing this thrown around a lot, and I can only ask where people are getting that from.

Don't quote me on this because my memory is hazy on it, but I believe towards the end of 2.x Yoshi P said that the garlean story would end in 5.x, and given the way the story is going, Garlemauld is far more likely for 5.0 than Old Sharlayan (who knows though, they could pull an Othard and have us going to both). Stormblood has us advancing into Garlean territory, and Ilsabard (where Garlemauld is) borders Gyr abanya (where Ala Mhigo is).

People have been pretty spot on for predictions mostly, we assumed 4.0 would be Ala Mhigo, we assumed 3.0 would be Ishgard, so I'm pretty confident that 5.0 will be centered on Ilsabard with the current knowledge that we have.

[Ghastly]

And Rabanastre is in the Ilsabard territory.

Official quotes

A: Now that you mention it, though, when Gaius first lands in Vylbrand, the voiced guy does say Othard. It stuck in my head because in another language he says he’s from Rabanastre.
KF: Guess where Rabanastre iiis! <laughs> There’s also a line in the Japanese version where they name-drop Dalmasss—<throat clearing> It’s not in English, but that’s where it is and maybe someday we’ll be seeing some of <heavy throat clearing>. But yes, that land bridge connects directly to Ilsabard. You cannot get to Othard from there without going through Ilsabard. So there’s the land bridge and it goes into Islabard <emphatic hand gestures>.
A: That’s what I thought at first, but someone asked in the forums and I was like, “Actually, no, I can’t say for sure…” But I went back and watched this old panel and you were doing the same <laughing> hand gestures and I was like, “Oh, man, it could be.”
KF: They got mad at me! They were like, “Don’t do that thing with your hands, people are looking into that!” Nooo, they’re nooot. “Yes, they are!”
F: And that‘s the guy <points at Anwyll> Right here.
A: Speaking of! We finally did find the other thing there with the uh, the Demon Tome. The hidden vertical “Cthulhu Fhtagn”. Took a while, but we got it!
KF: Thank you! But, yeah, in the end, think of [Aldenard into Ilsabard] as like, a LEGO brick with another one stuck onto it.

https://gamerescape.com/2016/04/28/l...o-the-chowder/

I don't hold the belief that Viera can't exist, nor do act like I work at SE and have some secret hidden information that you dont. I've simply countered your logic with publicly available research. I cannot say for certain that your idea won't happen, but if it does it would go against everything the devs have said, and be bad storytelling entirely designed to set up Viera, and that would probably create a negative backlash from the community, not a positive one (this thread is a small fraction of a larger community)

What public available information? You never quote or link anything. Bad story telling is subjective, I claim it's great story telling. They already did a poll about races and your claim that you have numbers pulled out of who knows where can't be taken seriously. Get some numbers, do some research. Majority is not proof because in a pool of 5 or so other options viera couldn't be the majority, only a plurality so proving majority/minority cannot be proven.

Miqo'te is not the majority yet we know they'd be as popular as viera using logic

I kinda expect it to be implied, but if it's outright mentioned in some way (in a way similar to how a character in FFT outright states that Moogles are extinct), that's fine to. Respects Ivalice lore and works for FFT.

Now, on the off chance Viera are confirmed, I cannot expect to see them in this game until 6.0. With 5.0 pretty much being the Garlean expansion (on a region dominated by Garleans), I can't imagine Viera appearing in this game until after (unless we see them mixed in with Garlean troops throughout 4.0) 5.X's completion. Since we have no idea what to expect on other regions that are to the west of Eorzea/Aldenard and east of Othard (and north of Islabard?), anything can be possible (there's not much lore about those places, aside from the Mamool Ja originally being from the "New World to the Far West" or something).

Doma/Ala mhigo are controlled by the Garleans yet you found different races there. The areas the Garleans control have no bearing as to what races can be there. If you played FFXII you'd understand how similar FFXIV Rabanastre and FFXII are. Both controlled by an empire.