Transfer Restrictions and Roleplayers

[MomomiMomi]

No need to become snarky now for giving information that this has been attempted in the past. It is better to inform people then inspire false hope.

This is a unique situation. There's no way into Balmung and if some of those interpretations are correct, they're going to offer you the chance to have an organized transfer off of it, free of charge. It's a chance that hasn't been available before. Now's the time to organize. Take it or leave it.

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

I genuinely think there are no realistic alternatives, unless SE starts to intervene. So I can't and won't offer them, because I don't have them. If you wish to be judgemental due to that? All the more power to you. You're free to have your opinion just as much anyone else here has.

I suppose that's true. I guess we're at an impasse. I simply don't think rolling over and waiting for SE to fix it (or advocating for such) is a healthy stance to take, especially for a community as robust and passionate as XIV's RP community.

This is a unique situation. There's no way into Balmung and if some of those interpretations are correct, they're going to offer you the chance to have an organized transfer off of it, free of charge. It's a chance that hasn't been available before. Now's the time to organize. Take it or leave it.

Exactly. Just to flesh out the "organized" part, and anyone fact check me with the lodestone article if you want, they are offering FC transfers, compensation for housing and furnishings, free transfers to new EU servers and designated servers across all data centers, and raising the cap on transferring gil to 10 million.

Actually they were supporting the need for RP Servers rather than supporting an idea that has been tried more than once and failed. It was a little bit back as to their first post, and she has been rightly deterring people from posting this sort of thing over and over, because non-RPers who don't understand the time and work invested and those who just don't care, will always go the route they see as the "easiest" even if they do not understand the work behind something.

We NEED RP servers, not want them, to avoid problems for future players.

Ehhhhh... even if they did that we'd still need to solve the "need people to move" part. Hopefully what SE is doing with transfers and such as I mentioned above will make it easier for folks on the fence about moving.

[Velynea]

This is a unique situation. There's no way into Balmung and if some of those interpretations are correct, they're going to offer you the chance to have an organized transfer off of it, free of charge. It's a chance that hasn't been available before. Now's the time to organize. Take it or leave it.

If you would read anything roleplayers have said in this thread... People don't want to leave Balmung. (New) People want to be a part of the bigger RP community. The smaller ones? While they are precious attempt don't hold nearly as much roleplayers. I dare to say Balmung probably has over the a few thousand of roleplayers. Those ghost towns? At best fifty or so.

So if you were a roleplayer who would you wish to join? the thousand of potential people you can roleplay with, or the small ghost towns?

On top of that? Us roleplayers don't get magically get along, unlike what people appear to believe here? People's styles vary immensely. You can find on Balmung the more lore tight people, to people roleplaying DBZ. On those small servers? You don't have a choice. It is adjust or get out. Lots of people want to have that choice, find people they jive with.

In the long run this will hurt our roleplay community. Those smaller hubs, while I applaud their attempts, and I hope I'm proven wrong, are not what people want. We need need people into our roleplay community. New ideas, new characters, new stories, to keep a community going. We are aware that Balmung is full, we have housing issues and drama constantly. But this, if Balmung will be kept locked for a longer while, will damage the roleplay community of FFXIV as a whole. Because new people wouldn't want to join FFXIV due to Balmung being locked.

That is the crux of this post, what people appear to be missing. We are concerned if this temporary lock doesn't turn out to be so temporary, it will have dire consequences for our community.

But I suppose for non-RPers this all makes little sense and they merely compare it to just transferring your static over to another server.

[MomomiMomi]

If you would read anything roleplayers have said in this thread... People don't want to leave Balmung.

I've read it. Balmung is a problem and they're fixing it. If you don't want to adjust, then fine. Don't adjust.

[Vexander]

I've read it. Balmung is a problem and they're fixing it. If you don't want to adjust, then fine. Don't adjust.

Honestly I might consider Mateus myself. At the moment I don't have an FC, and Balmung being Balmung, I've never had a personal Estate. The main issue I'd have is leaving my friends. I've also made an alt on Mateus to just look around a bit but what I'm seeing isn't exactly hope-inspiring. Maybe Ul'dah just wasn't the starting city to select. Sadly, there isn't much a level 1 can do to look around a server to get a good idea of what its like.

[artemos7]

I've read it. Balmung is a problem and they're fixing it. If you don't want to adjust, then fine. Don't adjust.

That isn't helping anyone in this thread. Balmung is a problem, but also has been for a while, they should have worked to fix it long before this and then the need for this thread would have been different. When it started, and we decided on Balmung as the RP server unofficially, there was no worry of population, but now there is clearly. If you aren't an RPer, or aren't from Balmung, then your opinion is great, but it isn't helpful or adding to this discussion in a helpful way. Asking for RPserver designation is a valid inquiry to the team, and should be supported by most RPers who care for the future of their community. Tackling further issues is something we can meet over time if there is some push for at least that to start.

[MomomiMomi]

That isn't helping anyone in this thread. Balmung is a problem, but also has been for a while, they should have worked to fix it long before this and then the need for this thread would have been different. When it started, and we decided on Balmung as the RP server unofficially, there was no worry of population, but now there is clearly. If you aren't an RPer, or aren't from Balmung, then your opinion is great, but it isn't helpful or adding to this discussion in a helpful way. Asking for RPserver designation is a valid inquiry to the team, and should be supported by most RPers who care for the future of their community. Tackling further issues is something we can meet over time if there is some push for at least that to start.

I'm not talking about the request for an official RP server. Go ahead and request it, doesn't bother me.

What I'm responding to is this "we've tried it, it doesn't work" attitude on creating more unofficial RP communities. SE are giving a very heavy handed incentive to do it right now: Friends of people on Balmung can no longer join them. People who want the easy option of joining the largest RP community can no longer do it.

Forget what SE is going to do about it. What are you (general you) going to do about it?

[Velynea]

Forget what SE is going to do about it. What are you (general you) going to do about it?

I urge you to read my post again. We cannot do anything about it, unless SE offer us a hand or unlocks Balmung again.

This isn't about making new servers. We don't want them. This is not about transferring. We don't want that.

We just don't want our only true hub to start falling apart if this lock remains. We need new people. We are not like any other community. We are very unique and different in that regard. Without sounding melodramatic, this could take the enjoyment out of our game and how we spend our time if this remains a thing for a longer set period of time. Once more, we need new people to prevent things from stagnating. We need them in numbers, because all those type of various roleplayers need their brand of roleplayers to jive with. This isn't just a matter of "We like raiding" or "We like PvPing" and team up. Our situation is one I'm trying to explain, but I'm not sure if I'm wording things correctly, amongst several others, as no one appears to be understand what we are trying to convey.

Or people are just being immensely dense due to lack of knowledge on our community and prefer to stay that way. I'm not sure.

[MomomiMomi]

I urge you to read my post again. We cannot do anything about it, unless SE offer us a hand or unlocks Balmung again.

This isn't about making new servers. We don't want them. This is not about transferring. We don't want that.

We just don't want our only true hub to start falling apart if this lock remains. We need new people. We are not like any other community. We are very unique and different in that regard.

Well it's going to happen. What are you going to do about it?

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

I'm not talking about the request for an official RP server. Go ahead and request it, doesn't bother me.

What I'm responding to is this "we've tried it, it doesn't work" attitude on creating more unofficial RP communities. SE are giving a very heavy handed incentive to do it right now: Friends of people on Balmung can no longer join them. People who want the easy option of joining the largest RP community can no longer do it.

Forget what SE is going to do about it. What are you (general you) going to do about it?

This, so much. I understand not wanting to abandon friends and established communities (I wanted to play with my in-game spouse so much I followed them to Balmung) and assets. That part is well documented and understood.

What I don't understand is the active discouragement of people to find their own way around it. Digging in your heels and refusing to move is your business, and you're welcome to it. Telling other people not to do it on the grounds that you don't think it'll work is, however, none of your business. But we're all entitled to opinions, I suppose, so that's that.

For what its worth, the only reason I'm not an active member of Balmung's RP community is that I'm already a member of an RP community elsewhere, and XIV is where I go to unwind from that. I am fairly experienced in watching and maintaining these sorts of things, and allowing a community to become bloated to excess is, in fact, not healthy for growth at all. People get pushed out or feel they don't belong anymore. This is especially apparent in the (lack of) housing available: I'd probably be an active part of the Balmung RP community if my husband and I could actually get a house and settle down.

I urge you to read my post again. We cannot do anything about it, unless SE offer us a hand or unlocks Balmung again.

This isn't about making new servers. We don't want them. This is not about transferring. We don't want that.

We just don't want our only true hub to start falling apart if this lock remains. We need new people. We are not like any other community. We are very unique and different in that regard.

They really can't allow that for a multitude of reasons. Balmung will continue to become more and more full and you'll have one immense server where there will constantly be queues to log in, cities will be packed with more players and loading into zones becomes an issue, and you still have no housing available for these new people you so desperately need.

Some of the responsibility must necessarily fall on the players themselves. There is no one single thing SE can do to solve this problem that lets you have exactly what you want without shortchanging every other server who does not have Balmung's problems.