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  1. #51
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    AureliusDraconium's Avatar
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    I really think SE needs to take out the chunk of no point filler quests between the end of ARR and Heavenward. They are extremely boring and I dread when fellow new FC members and friends happen to get to that point in the MSQ. It needs to be shortened...If they add a story skip potion and a level boost potion I think its only fair to package it with the next expansion after SB so that as a veteran I can story skip an alt & level boost on another server. The people who want to see the story will see the story but the new players who don't often just stop playing altogether and not come back. There are also players who skip all story and dialogue like I do since I enjoy the other content of the game and I feel the MSQ takes me away from that. I usually listen to the voice acted bits though but if it is not which is majority the game then it doesn't hold my attention. I listen to podcasts to kind of keep up with whats going on in the story instead. So in a way, I kind of see both sides of the potion debate.
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  2. #52
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    I very much doubt people are going to sign up for a subscription MMO because it now provides the option to pay extra to skip a huge chunk of it.
    Skipping portions of the story isn't a major problem, charging people extra to do it is though.
    You would be very surprised. I mean, look at the sheer amount of money people sink into mobile games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lexia View Post
    Those same people that want to skip everything and go straight to "end game" will find out that there not much of end game and not exciting for long and will be the same one that will quit after only playing a couple months. So either way those people are going to quit anyways.
    Not necessarily. Some players only care about gameplay yet will spend an absurd amount of time playing it. I know plenty who jump into Savage pugs constantly or level multiple jobs to try something different yet they don't give a hoot about story.

    Quote Originally Posted by AureliusDraconium View Post
    I really think SE needs to take out the chunk of no point filler quests between the end of ARR and Heavenward. .
    This necessitates massive rewrites, new animations and coding. Attempting to Frankenstein the remnants together is no small feat. And that doesn't even cover what would be deemed "filler." I'll say the entire Company of Heroes arc is a boring slog yet maybe someone fancied parts of it. I know a few people who hated the Ishgard politicking with the exception of Haurchefant scenes. Likewise, I know others who liked 2.1-2.3 whereas many consider awful. Putting all that aside, cost is the biggest hurdle. The devs are given a budget. Any adjustments to old content comes out of those resources, thus we'll inevitably lose new content for amendments none of us will ever see unless we make an alt. At least a skip potion solves without impacting veteran players.
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  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by MomoOG View Post
    I have friends who would be interested in coming back for the new expansion but will not because they are so far behind on the MSQ that it would take quit a grind to catch back up. I really think this is a oversight in the expansion process of this game compared to other MMORPGs. A new expansion is bringing people back because they are interested in the content of that expansion but instead they get stuck in dead ghost towns of previous content and once they finally catch up everyone is in the new expansion content is done with it.
    Here we go again...

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  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by AureliusDraconium View Post
    I really think SE needs to take out the chunk of no point filler quests between the end of ARR and Heavenward.
    So picking up tea and helping Tataru with trying different professions. Less than a dozen quests out of the 100.

    The rest? It's all relevant. It's all building on past events and toward future stories. Even the hide and seek with the Doman kids which helped establish the kind of ruthless environment they came from (the life or death hiding obfuscated as a game for the benefit of the children) several years before we're actually headed there.
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    So picking up tea and helping Tataru with trying different professions. Less than a dozen quests out of the 100.

    The rest? It's all relevant. It's all building on past events and toward future stories. Even the hide and seek with the Doman kids which helped establish the kind of ruthless environment they came from (the life or death hiding obfuscated as a game for the benefit of the children) several years before we're actually headed there.
    I think what Aurelius means is that this background information needs to be delivered through other means, either through side story quests or implicit throughout the currently relevant events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Not necessarily. Some players only care about gameplay yet will spend an absurd amount of time playing it. I know plenty who jump into Savage pugs constantly or level multiple jobs to try something different yet they don't give a hoot about story.
    Yes there are but there also known to be plenty of people that are "patch subbers" or w/e you want to call them. They rush through all the content and then say there nothing to do is what I was getting at. But I guess as far as OP friends if someone has already played the game and they unsubbed for w/e reason, those reason they unsubbed are still going to be there cause not like XIV has changed much up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AureliusDraconium View Post
    If they add a story skip potion and a level boost potion I think its only fair to package it with the next expansion after SB so that as a veteran I can story skip an alt & level boost on another server.
    If they did do that pretty sure it would be part of the the more expensive CE version and not the standard version.
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  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    I think what Aurelius means is that this background information needs to be delivered through other means, either through side story quests or implicit throughout the currently relevant events.
    Then you get no foreshadowing and instead new issues pop up with no lead-in or establishing set of events. That's amateur story telling at best.

    That said, that isn't what they meant. They believe that stuff isn't important and exists solely to pad out how long we play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    I also think that it would make more sense to include a story jump potion if it was introduced with an expansion set as part of its cost rather than selling it separately as for the most part only people buying an expansion would need it.
    I don't think it should ever be sold along with any part of the game itself. If it ever is sold, it would have to be separate, to avoid giving the impression it comes with the game as part of how the game is played. It's definitely not how the game is played and never will be, because it's only a way of avoiding playing the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    I don't think it should ever be sold along with any part of the game itself. If it ever is sold, it would have to be separate, to avoid giving the impression it comes with the game as part of how the game is played. It's definitely not how the game is played and never will be, because it's only a way of avoiding playing the game.
    Like it or not, this game will eventually follow the model of others before it. Bundling boosts with the new expac is common for a reason on MMO's once they're so many years old.
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