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  1. #141
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    CuteWhisper's Avatar
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    Cupcake Monster
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Capriana View Post
    this. Exactly why I feel inadequate on my SCH. Because either is rush rush rush heal heal heal after a hiccup. Or I don't DPS and I feel their eyes focusing on my buff bar and wondering WTH!?
    I still DPS but I sometimes don't even bother using cleric stance because I know I will have issues with it. My DPS will be shitty but still better than standing pretty. I just hope they will fix this clunky spell.
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  2. #142
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    Ralts's Avatar
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    Tietra Elm
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 81
    Quote Originally Posted by Alynn View Post
    I like stance dancing and that's what separates a good healer (even mediocre if you will) from a bad healer that waits for the tank to be hit.
    And to think supports are psychologically supportive people. I'm all for healers working together, not out-classing each other. But ok, be the best healer in your group, since it's so important.
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  3. #143
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    LunaFaye's Avatar
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    Luna Faye
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Weaver Lv 51
    I don't think it's the cleric stance. I've main'd both healers back in the day, and the reason I switched was the community itself, as well as the boredom when playing these jobs.

    You can be the "best" healer out there, or you can be one of the most slacking ones, at the end it don't matter because healers are always at fault for everything.

    And I know a lot of people, that think the same way, if the mindset of people would change a bit, and I am not saying a healer shouldn't dps/heal/both or be the scapegoat but sometimes it's just taking out of concept and making the game more of a real life job, were you need to carry people through all kind of content, then actual a game you can enjoy and relax in.

    Same for tanks. I think there's a reason everybody and their pets play dps, and are very quick in screaming at the healer/tank when something goes wrong, instead of looking at their mistakes.

    But sure if you want the cleric stance changed and think that fixes the problem, I am all for it, but I doubt that a lot of people would pick up healing after that, especially not new players.
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  4. #144
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    Marcellus_Cassius's Avatar
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    Marcellus Cassius
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    I don't want to see cleric stance removed, but instead remove its cooldown, make it a snappy on/off switch because sometimes it bugs out and doesn't switch off or you just switched it on and then something unexpected happens but now you gotta wait 5 s to respond.
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  5. #145
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    Faliandra's Avatar
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    Lumielle Whisperwind
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ralts View Post
    And to think supports are psychologically supportive people.

    wut? Last time I checked, to help dpsing actually supports the whole group. In fact, it helps with skipping phases on bosses that would do a good bunch of damage otherwise.

    I feel like some people really underestimate healer dps.
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  6. #146
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    Ralts's Avatar
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    Tietra Elm
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    Phoenix
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    Astrologian Lv 81
    Quote Originally Posted by Faliandra View Post
    wut? Last time I checked, to help dpsing actually supports the whole group. In fact, it helps with skipping phases on bosses that would do a good bunch of damage otherwise.

    I feel like some people really underestimate healer dps.
    What're you talking about? I was replying to healers trying to out-class their co-healer.
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  7. #147
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    Zojha's Avatar
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    Lodestone Bait
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    Pandaemonium
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 1
    Quote Originally Posted by Ralts View Post
    What're you talking about? I was replying to healers trying to out-class their co-healer.
    You were replying to someone making a blanket statement that healers who actually use all the tools at their disposal, i.e. stance dance, are better players than those who don't and only wait for the tank to be hit so they can hit cure.

    Stance dancing itself actually works best when both healers ARE working together, because it's better to allow both healers to keep their DoTs up and cover for each other than to have one on pure healing duty. There's a discussion on the healer forums on that, though I fear it's kinda buried >.>
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  8. #148
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    Synrin's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Mel Az
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    You were replying to someone making a blanket statement that healers who actually use all the tools at their disposal, i.e. stance dance, are better players than those who don't and only wait for the tank to be hit so they can hit cure.

    Stance dancing itself actually works best when both healers ARE working together, because it's better to allow both healers to keep their DoTs up and cover for each other than to have one on pure healing duty. There's a discussion on the healer forums on that, though I fear it's kinda buried >.>
    Unfortunately people tend to zone in on only one type of encounters when discussing mechanics. There is a difference between savage raids, 24-man raids, daily roulettes and PvP. So I think it is in everyone's interest to adjust mechanics so that they work out in every situation, no matter what job your co-healer has/is, and most importantly; whether you are premade or not.
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  9. #149
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    Maero's Avatar
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    I'shtola Maqa
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    I can admit having misjudged on a few occasions and it took far too long to switch off Cleric and in turn my spell never got cast in time to heal.
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  10. #150
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    Faliandra's Avatar
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    Lumielle Whisperwind
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ralts View Post
    What're you talking about? I was replying to healers trying to out-class their co-healer.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
    You were replying to someone making a blanket statement that healers who actually use all the tools at their disposal, i.e. stance dance, are better players than those who don't and only wait for the tank to be hit so they can hit cure.

    Stance dancing itself actually works best when both healers ARE working together, because it's better to allow both healers to keep their DoTs up and cover for each other than to have one on pure healing duty. There's a discussion on the healer forums on that, though I fear it's kinda buried >.>

    Zohja nailed it. Thats exactly what I was getting at.
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