Suggestion as to how to get people to become healers.

[Vexander]

You're not on the highway, you're still paddling your tricycle around your street.
People on the highway are trying to get to their job on time (dps-check) but their boss (the Boss) is a tight-ass with schedules because he hates them and wants to see them fired (wipe). Did you get that analogy?
Your responses are just "it's only a game, tryhards" "I play for fun lmao"

Also: "Tank took a crit just as I popped Cleric Stance"
If that's an issue it just means you're not more than capable at stance-dancing.

Eh, not really. People on the highway are trying to get to their job on time (DPS-Check). Unlike them, I leave my house early and get to work early (Prepared for the Dungeon). I also stay out of the passing lane, so they can speed past me if they want to (avoiding Savage/Extremes).

My responses are, 'Everyone enjoys the game in a different way. This is how I enjoy the game and why I don't heal anymore.' You can be perfectly capable of doing something and still not do it for whatever reason you want. Just because I can cook lunch doesn't mean I won't go out and get something from a restaurant if I feel like it. Just because I can do my own taxes doesn't mean I won't go down to the local H&R Block to get them done by a professional (I worked there for a while, I know how to do taxes, I just like to give back to the company).

Does it bother you this much to know there are people out there who avoid something because they have a different choice in their playstyles from your own? FFXIV isn't a job for me. Its a hobby. I'm not aiming for some kind of promotion when I play this game.

Cleric Stance boosts your outgoing damage potency by 10%, without Cleric, that 10% is gone resulting in an overall DPS reduction.

And if Cleric Stance was gone and MND provided that 10% DPS boost Cleric Stance previously provided then... where's the DPS loss?

[Averax]

The depths of my hatred for cleric stance knows no bounds, have a like.

Cleric Stance boosts your outgoing damage potency by 10%, without Cleric, that 10% is gone resulting in an overall DPS reduction.

You know they can, um, rebalance around that, right? Or just give every healing job a passive that increases damage dealt by 10%

[Driavna]

My opinion: what we need is a healer based in his DPS, also hard content should leave no room for anything but healing. One GCD wasted and someone is dead!

Anyway cleric stance should stay for easy content, most of the time healers don't have that much to do.

[bswpayton]

Im not even gona lie I love cleric stance but Id be lying if I said I havent killed a tank or I havent wiped a group because i wanted to damage more than I guess I should have. For example on my whm Ill approach the mob thinkin I have plenty of time to get out a few holys , well holy has an interesting cast so sometimes to stop the cast then turn off cleric can turn out to be very risky.

Im just on the fence on this one because as a healer I want to dps all the time but cleric has gotten me into trouble quite a few times, so I know that if the damage just came from mind that it would be nothing to just heal right after doing a damage spell instead of turning off cleric then healing. And I dono if this has been said but warrior is squishy as hell, I dont care what anybody says they dont have the 20 percent damage reduction as the other tanks.

So they literally depend on my heals to survive their health can go down when its full way faster even with cool downs than the other tanks in dungeons. While I like cleric stance I feel Id dps even more without it, sometimes if I cause a wipe after cleric , I will just simply heal only and thats super boring.

[Synrin]

Also: "Tank took a crit just as I popped Cleric Stance"
If that's an issue it just means you're not more than capable at stance-dancing.

The issue here is that the stance goes on a 3 second cd at that point, which can mean death and/or wipe. Just saying..

[Sida]

I often play with two people, both of them warriors. Both same level and gear. One of them needs healing, other.. not really much if at all. I tend to plop regen on them just to be on the safe side. It's not the job, its how it's played.

[Corsinus]

If you want people to become healers, don't touch cleric stance.
Actually do challenging content healing-wise so that people won't get the time to even think of using it.
Healer dps should be reserved to outgeared content and good player, it shouldn't be the norme.

That way, people who don't want to dps as a healer won't be blame by everyone and people who want will actually have to push themselves. Making things easier has never been a good way to motivate people in the long run. It's the best way to get good healer to actually stop playing their role.

If they make things easier for the healer, I know I will stop playing one.
At some point, I won't be able to see the difference between that kind of role and a glorifed healing potion.

[Retry]

Does it bother you this much to know there are people out there who avoid something because they have a different choice in their playstyles from your own?

No, as we all know there are plenty of amazing healers out there who only heal.
But your arguments thus far have been get rid of clerics because it doesn't match your preferred BLM playstyle.

Also, again, I'd advise going WHM since they offer the big results and less cs-requirement that you asked for in your monolog a bit ago. Not trying to be rude, just going off of what you stated you enjoy. SCH is a proactive heal style that widdles away at hp for dps instead of massive chunks. The job just does not match your professed playstyle.

[Vexander]

No, as we all know there are plenty of amazing healers out there who only heal.
But your arguments thus far have been get rid of clerics because it doesn't match your preferred BLM playstyle.

Also, again, I'd advise going WHM since they offer the big results and less cs-requirement that you asked for in your monolog a bit ago. Not trying to be rude, just going off of what you stated you enjoy. SCH is a proactive heal style that widdles away at hp for dps instead of massive chunks. The job just does not match your professed playstyle.

Right, now I'm on the confused side. I already stated in my posts that I prefer to heal WHM over SCH and AST. While I'm in favor of removing Cleric Stance as to my personal opinion of what would help get me back into healing (I also stipulated fixing WHM as another requirement), I've acknowledged that doing so wouldn't be a perfect solution, and that there isn't really even a perfect solution at this point. This is from the previous page:

How does less risk to DPS result in a DPS reduction? It'd increase the healers who would actively DPS, no? I agree it removes the risk in DPS'ing as a healer, however, and there are plenty of healers who -like- that risk. I feel like you couldn't change the existing healing classes. You'd have to add a healer that doesn't use Cleric Stance but MND scales their DPS as well as heals. A new job. Except then the existing healers would be ticked off about, 'EZ Mode,' class and not getting a, 'Proper new Healer.'

If the point of the thread is to discuss what would have more players embrace healing, I felt it would be worth my time to add why I stopped healing to begin with. I then had to go out of my way to try and explain that a bit further as people were coming to conclusions I'd never intended to give. Perhaps I'd worded my posts poorly, or perhaps people felt my comments were a personal attack on their preferred playstyle. My apologies if that was the case. My point in this thread has been attempting to illustrate my personal views on the matter.

[Synrin]

If you want people to become healers, don't touch cleric stance.
Actually do challenging content healing-wise so that people won't get the time to even think of using it.
Healer dps should be reserved to outgeared content and good player, it shouldn't be the norme.

The issue that has been present for a while is that healers have DOWN TIME so they can DPS. This is bad. There should be no down time that healers, whose main job is healing, have time to DPS (or get flamed for not DPSing). But I suppose XIV is simply like that, people have to put out DPS despite the roll, all day, all night..

Disclaimer: I have nothing against cleric stance or dpsing as healer, I just think certain mechanics have a lot of room for improvement