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  1. #31
    Player Leanna's Avatar
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    Leanna Crawford
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    Cleric stance is fun, and it's what makes dps fun.

    People just need to build-selfconfidence, not ask to remove the stance.
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    Last edited by Leanna; 05-08-2017 at 09:47 PM.

  2. #32
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    Vexander's Avatar
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    Rin Black
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faliandra View Post
    what is enjoyable as a non-dpsing scholar where the fairy does most of the job on her own?
    Throwing a heal once in a while is enjoyable?

    Or do you netflix at the same time? I am genuinely curious to know. o.o
    Being able to dps means you know how to utilize your healing abilities efficiently.


    So what do you play now? a DPS? To do good dps, you have to constantly push buttons and do an efficient rotation to do well.
    That's definitely a lot more stress than playing a healer without using cleric stance, at least.

    But I suppose since you dont wanna achieve anything and only wanna relax...you probably dont put much effort there either?
    When I leveled Scholar, I DPS'd.
    When I leveled White Mage, I DPS'd.
    When I leveled Astrologian, I DPS'd.

    It's part of the healer role now to do DPS, and I've never been the sort of person who would drag a party down if it is within my power to avoid doing so. Its why I avoid doing Savage/Extreme content or PvP. Because I don't like the idea of ruining someone else's gaming experience. Each role brings its own unique sense of enjoyment and relaxation. As a DPS, its knowing my rotations, knowing the fights, and knowing how to adapt to a given situation. There's also the safety net involved of, if I make a mistake, if the dog pulls the power cord out, etc... the likelihood that the group will wipe is pretty low.

    As a healer, I enjoyed keeping people alive, really. The reactive game-style is enjoyable in that you keep on your toes and try to second-guess enemies/bosses sometimes. One of my favorite things to do was to time when the tank would take damage and start a heal before it happened so that the very nanosecond their HP bar dipped, it immediately went right back up. That was -very- satisfying to me. That was giving the mob a big old middle finger. Like letting Estinien get to 1-3% HP during the Aery and then popping Benediction on him. That was just extraordinarily cathartic.

    So, when I was leveling Scholar, I was often in Cleric Stance and DPS'ing while micromanaging the fairy to keep everyone else alive. It was boring at low levels when my heals weren't needed at all and Eos/Selene had superior healing anyways with their AOE Esuna and Regen and DPS boosting with what amounted to Haste. At higher levels, Eos/Selene aren't all that was needed anymore to keep people alive and happy. Switching in and out of Cleric Stance became stressful, just because an unlucky crit on the tank would leave me stressing about the cooldown so I could heal the tank again before they died.

    So when I got Scholar to 60 I stopped immediately. Same with Astrologian. White Mage I played a while longer because it's always been my favorite healing class from any Final Fantasy game. I would even say it was less stressful to stance dance as a WHM just because the bigger heals gave me a lot more safety nets just in case the Tank took a crit just as I popped Cleric Stance. At the end of the day, I ended up finding myself enjoying BLM more, so I stopped healing altogether. Healing was enjoyable, it was fun, but where Cleric Stance provides stress and nothing about Black Mage does, well, why would I stick with a healer?

    As an analogy, think of it this way. I can go over the speed-limit on the Highway if I want to. I know where the little spots the police cars sit waiting to catch people speeding. I know what times you'll generally find them traveling up and down the highway. However, I don't care for the stress of always looking for the cop car. I find it more enjoyable to listen to the radio and go the speed limit. Saves on gas, saves on maintenance for the car, and I don't have to worry about a hit to my wallet from a speeding ticket. Its more relaxing for me to go the speed-limit.

    Why should I speed?

    With that analogy I ask: Why should I heal, if DPS'ing is more relaxing?
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    Last edited by Vexander; 05-08-2017 at 10:06 PM.

  3. #33
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    Launched's Avatar
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    Rys Sol
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Cleric Stance is the best thing about healing in this game. It lets me do more than just be a healbot. Removing Cleric Stance would mean a dps reduction even if those spells were changed to scale off MND because there's less risk, and that's really not something I want.
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  4. #34
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    Mel Az
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    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    Cleric Stance is the best thing about healing in this game. It lets me do more than just be a healbot. Removing Cleric Stance would mean a dps reduction even if those spells were changed to scale off MND because there's less risk, and that's really not something I want.
    I just wish they'd work on it and make it less clunky to turn on and off, and also remove the cooldown...

    I agree it is fun, I am getting back into healing for SB now as SCH, but damn sometimes it gives me heart attacks. Especially because I am the type to spam buttons while casting stuff (old WoW habit).
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxn607 View Post
    If they removed the cleric stance and added in your suggestion, I would like to think it would get rid of the issue in the community about healer DPS. More healers would dps if they didn't have to stance dance and risk letting someone die in the mean time.

    Just my opinion on the matter.
    Totally true, lol. I usually just don't put on cleric stance at all in dungeons etc., but still dps while healing despite it being less damage. I typically already feel pressured to constantly heal, since I'm the type that doesn't like seeing others hurt even just a little, so that would definitely help when I dps. ^_^
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    "White Mage at Heart"

  6. #36
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    Cupid Duskysquirrel
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    You're not on the highway, you're still paddling your tricycle around your street.
    People on the highway are trying to get to their job on time (dps-check) but their boss (the Boss) is a tight-ass with schedules because he hates them and wants to see them fired (wipe). Did you get that analogy?
    Your responses are just "it's only a game, tryhards" "I play for fun lmao"

    Also: "Tank took a crit just as I popped Cleric Stance"
    If that's an issue it just means you're not more than capable at stance-dancing.
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  7. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    Cleric Stance is the best thing about healing in this game. It lets me do more than just be a healbot. Removing Cleric Stance would mean a dps reduction even if those spells were changed to scale off MND because there's less risk, and that's really not something I want.
    How does less risk to DPS result in a DPS reduction? It'd increase the healers who would actively DPS, no? I agree it removes the risk in DPS'ing as a healer, however, and there are plenty of healers who -like- that risk. I feel like you couldn't change the existing healing classes. You'd have to add a healer that doesn't use Cleric Stance but MND scales their DPS as well as heals. A new job. Except then the existing healers would be ticked off about, 'EZ Mode,' class and not getting a, 'Proper new Healer.'
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  8. #38
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    I like stance dancing and that's what separates a good healer (even mediocre if you will) from a bad healer that waits for the tank to be hit.
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  9. #39
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    Ethan Vayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexander View Post
    How does less risk to DPS result in a DPS reduction?
    Cleric Stance boosts your outgoing damage potency by 10%, without Cleric, that 10% is gone resulting in an overall DPS reduction.
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  10. #40
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    Sida Bajihri
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    There is also the possibility that such change would reduce the existing healer pool. We might get few new ones who now feel put of by the stance dancing, but also some healers who now like the thrill of needing to time it just right might just switch to dmg since the thrill was gone. The real answer to question how to get more healers is to find more people who want to take that responsibility. It doesn't help that damage players are eagerly pointing at tank or healer for any small fault even if their own performance is less than splendid.
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    If you say 'pls' because it's shorter than 'please', I say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'.

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