Stormblood Crafting System

[javid]

I want to see Careful Synthesis II and Byregot's Blessing part of every crafting skills instead of being something you need to cross skill.

To be completely fair careful 2 isn't mandatory....but it's extremely OP. (One can argue all these commonly used utilities aren't mandatory.....)

But for BB all the classes use IQ but they didn't (until heaven's) have any finisher touch that took advantage of the stacks of IQ amassed---And the one given to all classes is conditional and weak as @#$% so it's extremely "underwhelming"....
I'd like to see all classes get functional utilities that mirror the functions we the crafting community deem standard without removing the perks of leveling all the classes (omni should always always be the true kings).

So all classes need some kind of CP gain or management.
All classes need some kind of finisher touch utility...

Those the only two things imo should be functional on a per class basis. It should remain rewarding to level multiple classes for STRONGER/more efficient utilities.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

I'd like to see all classes get functional utilities that mirror the functions we the crafting community deem standard without removing the perks of leveling all the classes (omni should always always be the true kings).

I've said it before. I'll say it again. Specialist System needs to be completely reworked. ALL SPECIALIST-ONLY recipe flags need to go. No recipe should be locked behind being a Specialist. The Specialist Moves need to go away, too. In their place, ALL 21 of the level 15, 37, 50 moves NOT native to the crafting class should be added as Specialist moves.

This removes most of the advantage that Omnicrafter have over single crafters. The remaining advantage is being able to refine materials from other classes, that the single crafter may not have access to outside of friends or the marketboard. This puts them on a relatively even setting, allowing the single crafter to compete, which was, IIRC, the main reason for putting the Specialist System into the game in the first place.

SB's Specialist levels should add in the level 54 cross class moves too. Though whether those should remain one expansion behind, or brought up to current expansion, is something I'll leave for SE to determine.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

The Specialist Moves need to go away, too. In their place, ALL 21 of the level 15, 37, 50 moves NOT native to the crafting class should be added as Specialist moves.

Roth, can you please explain a bit more clear what you mean here? Do you mean skills like Steady Hand II or Byregot's Blessing should become Specialist moves?

[javid]

Roth, can you please explain a bit more clear what you mean here? Do you mean skills like Steady Hand II or Byregot's Blessing should become Specialist moves?

this is exactly what he means................................ do you understand if your system were implemented..............ONLY SPECIALIST would relaibly make ANY HQ products....so what would be the point of having access to a recipe you can only NQ (if you're not a spc on that class??)

NO BB?? no comfort zone?? no steady hand 2? no hasty touch................................................no trick of the trade no careful syn. 2 .... etc

Horrible idea much worst than current system.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

this is exactly what he means................................ do you understand if your system were implemented..............ONLY SPECIALIST would relaibly make ANY HQ products....so what would be the point of having access to a recipe you can only NQ (if you're not a spc on that class??)

NO BB?? no comfort zone?? no steady hand 2? no hasty touch................................................no trick of the trade no careful syn. 2 .... etc

Horrible idea much worst than current system.

Not what I meant at all. I did not say to take them out of the cross class system, but rather, to add them to the specialist soulstone enabled moves. Level GSM and CRP, take Specialist on CRP only, you would still have access to BB on GSM. But you would not have access to Careful Synthesis 1, 2, or Steady Hand 2, on GSM, because you have not leveled those classes nor taken the GSM specialist.

[javid]

Oh this is a little better idea than what i thought you meant. Still it offers no incentive for onmi crafters to use Spc....since in your system no recipe is locked therefore what special about specialist?? Also SE WANTS crafters to level multiple crafters and want to reward us for doing so. They just don't want it to be MANDATORY. In your system the only perk for leveling all your crafters is so you could be specialist-like on all your crafters....which again means.....nothing special at all.....since no recipes are locked.....a very bland and cookie cutter approach....might as well make everything one class called crafter that makes everything and has all the utilities no differentiation needed. Or go bk to 2.x setup with the added "ez omni abilities" for 3 of your classes.

[TaleraRistain]

Oh this is a little better idea than what i thought you meant. Still it offers no incentive for onmi crafters to use Spc....since in your system no recipe is locked therefore what special about specialist?? .

You would get access to more than 10 cross-class skills under your specialists. This benefits both single and omni-crafter. And it doesn't punish omnis for being omnis because we will still have 10 cross-class skill spaces and will just need to swap as we do now if we need certain skills for rotations. I really like this idea. I don't even mind being limited to 3 specialists under a system like this, because my non-specialist leveling is still valuable. This would be a huge boost for single-crafters, since their specialist classes could HQ at the level omnis could.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Still it offers no incentive for onmi crafters to use Spc....

Why should there be any special incentive for omnicrafters to become specialists? The whole idea behind specialization was that the solo crafter could compete (which I read to mean, HQ as well) with the omnicrafter. Prior to Specializations, they could not. WITH Specializations, they cannot, though they can get closer than before. With my suggestion, the primary difference between the specialist solo crafter and the omnicrafter is in making refined materials, such as a solo spec BSM wanting lumber for a spear, would have to get it from someone (either in person or via the Board) while an omnicrafter would simply get the logs and make it himself.

Plenty of incentive for someone to become a specialist if they only want to level one or two crafters. No reason to provide any incentive for an omnicrafter to become a specialist, they already have the power from being an omnicrafter.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Still it offers no incentive for onmi crafters to use Spc....since in your system no recipe is locked therefore what special about specialist??

How special do you want specialist to be? Being able to put on a FREE Soul Stone, and INSTANTLY obtain ALL the critical cross class skills that omni-crafters had to work hard weeks or months to obtain? To be frank, I think this is almost "too special" for the specialists, and is giving too few credits to the effort/time/gil that omni-crafters put in! Just like PROBOUND mentioned, most single-class crafters perhaps invested time and money on something else throughout the whole course of HW. I think it is fair to allow them to catch up using some quick leveling methods (much like how they make anima easier now and i270 Shire weapons very available), but it's not fair to allow a single-class crafter to be as powerful as an omni-crafter. Personally, I think Roth's idea is already VERY good for the specialists... almost giving specialist a little too much.

Let's just say, even if it does work out the way Roth suggests... which makes a single-class BSM specialist on equal ground as an omni-crafter when crafting any BSM items, the single-class specialists might still complain about omni-crafters dominating the market. But in reality, maybe the omni-crafter is just crafting every day and selling stuff, whereas the single-class BSM specialist is just occasionally making a few BSM items, and found lots of omni-crafters already selling them? Perhaps in reality, even omni-crafters complain about other omni-crafters dominating the market! I personally think it has nothing to do with being omni or not omni. It just has to do with someone being more hard-working, and selling something constantly on the market. Although, as an omni-crafter, one does have the advantage of finding something else to sell because he/she will have 8 classes to play around with.

Also SE WANTS crafters to level multiple crafters and want to reward us for doing so.

I don't give a damn to what SE wants us to do. As long as I find it fun and beneficial, I'll do it. But not because SE WANTS me to do it.

Why should there be any special incentive for omnicrafters to become specialists? The whole idea behind specialization was that the solo crafter could compete (which I read to mean, HQ as well) with the omnicrafter. Prior to Specializations, they could not. WITH Specializations, they cannot, though they can get closer than before. With my suggestion, the primary difference between the specialist solo crafter and the omnicrafter is in making refined materials, such as a solo spec BSM wanting lumber for a spear, would have to get it from someone (either in person or via the Board) while an omnicrafter would simply get the logs and make it himself.

Plenty of incentive for someone to become a specialist if they only want to level one or two crafters. No reason to provide any incentive for an omnicrafter to become a specialist, they already have the power from being an omnicrafter.

Exactly. I never wanted that stupid stone in the first place, and I feel fine without it. At this point of the game, the only advantage of the stone is that it makes my specialist classes require fewer melds to achieve 4 star status.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Roth, can you please explain a bit more clear what you mean here? Do you mean skills like Steady Hand II or Byregot's Blessing should become Specialist moves?

Yes, in addition to their normal means of learning. So a single class BSM would have access to Steady Hand 2, Innovation, Manipulation, Tricks of the Trade, etc. However, the omnicrafter still gets those skills through learning all of the classes rather than Specialization (though would get duplicate access to them on the three Specialization classes), and would have access to them on all 8 crafting classes, through the Cross Class System.

Bear in mind, that this would bypass the 10 CC move limit, for those three Specialist classes, by getting the moves through the soulstone in addition to the CC system.