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    I think you need some fresh bait because it smells pretty rotten in this thread.

    But since I'm bored out of my mind I guess I'll attempt to reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delorean View Post
    what else do you call sitting in the back flinging poo at bosses and taking a quarter of the skill it does to play melee DPS?

    probably something like "viability" xD
    First off; BRD/MCH are used in speed kill comps and are considered two of the hardest jobs to min-max in damage, MCH more so than BRD. They can hardly be called unskilled or nonviable, which is what I think you meant to type.

    Second off; according to your lodestone page you have no DPS at level 60. That means you have never had the chance to try any Job's level 60 rotation, which means you're basing your opinion on incomplete DPS toolkits making them feel lackluster.


    Quote Originally Posted by Delorean View Post
    dragoon makes me want to drink bleach with all 50 of it's ridiculous pos reqs that are impossible when your df tank is playing dance dance revolution with all the enemy mobs

    DRG only has 4 positionals; Heavy Thrust, Chaos Thrust, Fang And Claw, and Wheeling Thrust. Also your DRG is level 50 so you only have access to Heavy Thrust and Chaos Thrust.


    Quote Originally Posted by Delorean View Post
    monk would be great if greased lightning wasn't an annoying mechanic to deal with

    Greased Lightning is extremely easy. The stance buffs tell you 99% of the time what skill to press. If you can't keep GL up then you're not hitting the right buttons. I'm honestly surprised you didn't rant about MNK's positional requirements, who have 6 skills with positionals.


    Quote Originally Posted by Delorean View Post
    nin can be hard to play if you forget your poison and you aren't good at juggling buffs
    How does forgetting poison make NIN hard to play? It's literally one button press at the start of the dungeon and how 0 effect on your rotation. The debuffs are very easy to handle if you use a proper opener which sets their timers in a way that makes refreshing easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delorean View Post
    rdm will probably end up being more my speed lol
    I thought you said ranged classes were weenies and didn't need much skill to play?


    0/10. Get some better bait or git gud.
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    Last edited by magnanimousCynic; 05-07-2017 at 02:39 PM.
    I was the Almighty Enkidu for April Fools 2017.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beckett View Post
    To be fair, it's not so much a flame war as it's 12 pages of people agreeing the OP is an idiot.

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    rofl

    bard

    "hard to play"

    Quote Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic View Post
    Second off; according to your lodestone page you have no DPS at level 60. That means you have never had the chance to try any Job's level 60 rotation, which means you're basing your opinion on incomplete DPS toolkits making them feel lackluster.
    There are more MMOs out there other than FFXIV, never mind the fact I played the game a good bit before Heavensward was ever released.

    DRG only has 4 positionals
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    exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

    Greased Lightning is extremely easy. The stance buffs tell you 99% of the time what skill to press.
    you've obviously missed the point if that's where you're going with this

    How does forgetting poison make NIN hard to play?
    ummmm because you are missing 20% of your damage? its gonna be hard to reach competitive numbers without it,

    go figure

    I thought you said ranged classes were weenies and didn't need skill to play?
    red mage will be hybrid. just watch, it will be the new drg

    people wont even want to use that charging sword flurry thing XD
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    Welp that answered my question, you really do need better bait.

    Before I forbid myself from looking at this thread anymore I'll just add this last part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delorean View Post
    red mage will be hybrid. just watch, it will be the new drg
    According to your words that means RDM will have too many positionals and won't be fun if your tank is bad at mob control. Or you meant that RDM will be the new LOLDRG.
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    I was the Almighty Enkidu for April Fools 2017.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beckett View Post
    To be fair, it's not so much a flame war as it's 12 pages of people agreeing the OP is an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic View Post
    Welp that answered my question, you really do need better bait.
    i always think it's funny when someone comes into a thread and calls you a troll for expressing an opinion that they don't like and they are obviously triggered xD

    ranged dps is ez mode boring

    sorry not sorry =| I cant stand it

    According to your words that means RDM will have too many positionals
    no i mean they are going to be dead all the time from using that charge sword flurry attack and we are going to hear whining about how lame it is for the next 6 months
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delorean View Post
    rofl

    bard

    "hard to play"
    Bard is extremely hard to play well. I understand there are tons of crappy/lazy bards and very few good ones, but bard is a job with a very low skill floor and a very high skill ceiling. It's not uncommon for me to find myself at the top of the DPS list paired with any other DPS because I know bard inside and out and can maximize its damage. Bard may have been weak prior to our Heavenward buff, but now we are one of the DPS with the highest potential with regards to out-going damage.

    You say we're weak. My 12k Sidewinders disagree with you.
    And I'm sure MCHs and their 18k or higher Wildfires do as well.

    exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
    So basically all of your posts in this thread. Got it. o7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delorean View Post

    There are more MMOs out there other than FFXIV, never mind the fact I played the game a good bit before Heavensward was ever released.
    ...but you're talking about this game. talking about issues and classes that are unique in this game. Also talking out your ass whining about lag, positionals, and ranged while attempting to be elitist without ever having reached level cap? I mean c'mon never go full retard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelbreeze View Post
    ...but you're talking about this game. talking about issues and classes that are unique in this game. Also talking out your ass whining about lag, positionals, and ranged while attempting to be elitist without ever having reached level cap? I mean c'mon never go full retard.
    I hit level cap 3 years ago when i bitch slapped all you whiny nerds saying i couldn't do titan on Warrior or Coil xD

    but it is no secret that the consistency of mudra latency is anything but consistent - it's a problem that has been present in the ninja job since day 1. Sorry playing DRG in DF feels like trying to dress my sister's kids. I mean, obviously the tank has to move. As a tank, I know this. But I also know the group's DPS will be lower if I do not help the DPS do their job by making it easy for them by using good positioning by not moving unpredictably, keeping enemies backs out of inaccessible areas etc.

    and playing ranged dps is so totally ez mode

    in most games you really don't even have to deal with mechanics as much. if a tank is being stupid, you are not the first to be punished for his transgressions. Hell, they are not even the first to be punished for it; Melee DPS are. Aggro something a little too soon so you can keep your huge damage buff up? It's okay, provoke + lob its all good. Melee DPS? like a shotgun to the dick. Used an execution ability? Guess who isn't locked into an animation frame the same exact moment a deadly 1 shot AoE goes out.

    there is a long list of reasons why ranged dps are easier to play but it mostly boils down to lack of liability

    bard is a job with a very low skill floor and a very high skill ceiling
    i guess i am nitpicking but i just don't see raiding as something so complex that it would require extraordinary skill to do. the most valuable skill you can have in this hobby is the ability to communicate & lead.
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