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  1. #181
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    In my personal experience 9 times out of 10 when phrases like those are used it's because those using them just want to get out of the instance as quickly as they can with a clear and without a headache causing confrontation. I always feel that the subtext is something like "Oh will you just shut up, leave them alone and let us finish this before I go insane..."
    This doesn't excuse bad play. In fact, it's entirely counterintuitive. If they wanted to get out faster, then doing a proper rotation, DPSing as a healer and etc would accomplish that. None of this is context, it's simply bad players refusing to listen because they cannot be bothered. Per the quoted example, a Dark Knight not using Darkside by level 60 is lazy. It takes two seconds to read the tooltip yet they haven't.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 05-06-2017 at 03:39 AM.

  2. #182
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    Nestama's Avatar
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faliandra View Post
    My friggin point was that parsers wont magically make bad players disappear? So hard to understand?
    It won't make them disappear, but it will make it much easier to spot them.
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  3. #183
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    Lumielle Whisperwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    It won't make them disappear, but it will make it much easier to spot them.
    Which is what I said in my previous post.
    Do you even read stuff or just randomly chime in
    To comment on stuff that has already been said?

    I'm not against parsers. I'm just saying it won't do miracles.
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  4. #184
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    LalaRu's Avatar
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    Mi An
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    Phantom
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ArrowAmethyst View Post
    READING THEIR TOOLTIPS
    Agree 100%. There is no excuse to don't even look at what a skill does. It implies tooltip informations are correct, ofc.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArrowAmethyst View Post
    READING GUIDES
    Agree less. One of the things I like playing in a game is being able to figure out myself the mechanics. More I am good at it, more I feel progressing as a player. 1st world/server clear happens when guides still doesn't exists, and happens because the players that done the kill are skilled at figure out mechanics. if you don't even try do it, you'll never learn it. Guides are a good thing anyway, if I just don't want take too much time on doing something, or the content so old that all and everyone knows it by memory, them comes handy.
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  5. #185
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    Xau's Avatar
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    Nial Niffelh
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    Phoenix
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Millen1 View Post
    As for skills, there has been a massive drop in skill level. It as if many players just don't care anymore. The game never teaches players to learn a skill in the job quest and all you can hope for is that they read the tool tips.
    the skill level drop happened because POTD, since it does not teach how to play your job at all, since anything in there dies very fast(especially when you have 99/99 in the gear), in especial, the melees and their positionals, since on POTD monsters do not have the positional ring
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  6. #186
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    Nestama's Avatar
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faliandra View Post
    Which is what I said in my previous post.
    Do you even read stuff or just randomly chime in
    To comment on stuff that has already been said?

    I'm not against parsers. I'm just saying it won't do miracles.
    I randomly chime in if the thought sparks. Nothing will change that.
    That said and looking back on your post, I think the FFXIV community should be a little less "careful" when it comes to criticism. Why do we "have to" be careful about what we say? Are we that afraid of being kicked (whatever), reported (there's no offence to report), or potentially making someone feel bad for a minute? Criticism, if done right, helps in most cases. Yes, it will make someone feel bad for a bit, but if they don't want to 'feel bad' in future runs, then they'll try to do better... though that's if they're someone who actually does want to try and is not someone who thinks their sub is the holy grail and everyone else should feel honoured to be carrying them.

    Now if someone is using "criticism" to insult someone, then it's not criticism. That's just being a jerk.
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    Last edited by Nestama; 05-05-2017 at 06:59 PM. Reason: The thought sparked

  7. #187
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    SilkaN's Avatar
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    Reginaux Vannaire
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xau View Post
    the skill level drop happened because POTD, since it does not teach how to play your job at all, since anything in there dies very fast(especially when you have 99/99 in the gear), in especial, the melees and their positionals, since on POTD monsters do not have the positional ring
    Don't blame the tool, blame the person using it.
    While PotD certainly doesn't let you master a job, it gives you a good general idea about what to do and how to play effectively.
    It's just that most people do NOT pay attention to their tooltips. But that's not the fault of PotD.
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  8. #188
    Player Miles_Maelstrom's Avatar
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    Miles Maelstrom
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ArrowAmethyst View Post
    ...

    I'm calling this rash of TERRIBLE players, "the epidemic". You would think by level 50 folks would have somewhat of a grasp on how to play their jobs, but this clearly isnt the case. Here are just a few of the atrocities we saw this weekend:

    ...

    -Bard's post lv.52, not using 'Wanderer's Minuet' at all ever

    ...


    (Feel free to flame me, just dont be surprised if I bite back. Im in a fiesty mood right now.)
    Looks like the OP is part of "the epidemic", you do not start using Wanderer's Minuet at lvl 52 when you get it, you wait until you the abilities associated with it, before that it's a loss.
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  9. #189
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    Nixx Delumi
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaidal View Post
    I guess we'll leave it at this then, since you have no interest in clarifying your stance.
    That you'd rather suggest I'm at fault and demand I do all the work rather than work to improve yourself is precisely why you are and will remain bad at reading.
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  10. #190
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    Ryelle Galashin
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SilkaN View Post
    Don't blame the tool, blame the person using it.
    While PotD certainly doesn't let you master a job, it gives you a good general idea about what to do and how to play effectively.
    It's just that most people do NOT pay attention to their tooltips. But that's not the fault of PotD.
    It really doesn't. There are no positional requirements at all, you don't even need a tank or healer, so it's not going to teach you how to play either effectively. PotD is not a good teaching tool. You can't put that entirely on people for "not reading their tooltips." Experience is much more significant than knowledge in determining skill, and the PotD experience is lacking.
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