I'm calling it the Epidemic. (This is a rant, if you dont wanna hear it, don't click)

[Nixxe]

And instead of explaining you become insulting and aggressive. Showing everyone what type of DF player you are.

It's quite simple. If you don't understand what I write when I use plain English, attempting to explain it to you using more plain English is nothing more than an exercise in futility. I said what I meant and you chose to read into it things that weren't there. That's pretty rude on your part to begin with, as you're demanding my attention and for me to take you seriously when you obviously didn't reciprocate. Further demanding I engage you conversationally along those lines is downright preposterous.

Even this post is not really for you, but rather is really aimed at anyone else who may be reading our exchange.

[bardaboo]

Okie dokie bud

[Faliandra]

I feel like it may have to do with the lack of parser support. When someone can see how bad they are doing for themselves, they can make the decision to change and improve on their own.

Nah. Not really.

My bf is a WoW player from day 1 and literally everyone uses parsers there. its like, the basic of the basic addons. And he averages 1.7m dps there while other ppl of the same class with same or better gear
average 500k. He moans about it every day. And thats during actual RAIDS, not DF stuff. But when the enablers are in your own fc...then theres only so much you can do.
The only difference is that there you can call people out on their BS, and here, you have to be careful about it.

But honestly, I felt that this game has better players overall than for example WoW.

[Kill3rkoi8082]

I would like to add all those tanks not using defensive cooldowns, Dark Knights being in Grit without Dark Side, people pulling without a reason, healers recasting protect in the middle of the fight (this happened to me today in DUN SCAITH, 3 times he did it for no reason). There will be players like that no matter the level. I was honestly surprised you hadn't come across any bad MNKs as there seems to be a surge of those due to Stormblood...

Just wanted to say that I cast protect if a person keeps dying and I want to help them by casting as many protection to keep this guy alive. Even in a middle of a fight like dun scaith. There has to be a reason why this healer would recast it unless that person was just a troll.

[Venjenz]

But honestly, I felt that this game has better players overall than for example WoW.

It does, for one huge reason - to progress the story and unlock content, levels and abilities...you have to do dungeon content. No choice. To even start Heavensward content, you had to do all 284 main scenario quests minimum, but probably did a decent amount of FATE, Leve and DF grinding to keep the levels consistent with the questlines. In WoW, just follow the exclamation points from zone to zone while soloing, and you'll ding max level inside 2-3 weeks, max. Then, do dailies for factions and buy (max - 2) tier raid gear, also can be done totally solo. Then wait for next xpac to mudflate inside the first zone's starter quests. You can stay just under bleeding edge in WoW and never join a party once. And for the most part, getting to one or two tiers below max raid gear for an xpac takes roughly 2 months from release, and can literally be done entirely solo.

FF14 is the only MMO that forces as much group content as it does. And yeah, the players in FF14 are the better for it.

[Khaidal]

It's quite simple. If you don't understand what I write when I use plain English, attempting to explain it to you using more plain English is nothing more than an exercise in futility. I said what I meant and you chose to read into it things that weren't there. That's pretty rude on your part to begin with, as you're demanding my attention and for me to take you seriously when you obviously didn't reciprocate. Further demanding I engage you conversationally along those lines is downright preposterous.

Even this post is not really for you, but rather is really aimed at anyone else who may be reading our exchange.

I must be bad at English as well, because I interpreted your post the same way. Bad and Mediocre people give "advice" but good players don't. Good players don't give advice because they either don't care or stick with premades.

[Nixxe]

I must be bad at English as well, because I interpreted your post the same way. Bad and Mediocre people give "advice" but good players don't. Good players don't give advice because they either don't care or stick with premades.

I find most people are extremely sloppy in their own speech and writings and apply the same sloppiness to how they interpret the words of others.

[Averax]

Nah. Not really.

My bf is a WoW player from day 1 and literally everyone uses parsers there. its like, the basic of the basic addons. And he averages 1.7m dps there while other ppl of the same class with same or better gear
average 500k. He moans about it every day. And thats during actual RAIDS, not DF stuff. But when the enablers are in your own fc...then theres only so much you can do.
The only difference is that there you can call people out on their BS, and here, you have to be careful about it.

But honestly, I felt that this game has better players overall than for example WoW.

Yeah, uhm, nobody is going to average 1.7 million dps in wow currently. Even mythic raiders are only getting around ~1mil. That's burst DPS, max, or heavy cleave. I can burst up to 2mil easy, and hold it for a little bit (depending on the fight), but it sinks down to about 600k. People doing 500k average are doing pretty decent dps, that's like entry level dps for the heroic Nighthold. People who suck in wow don't get the best gear if they just grind long enough, you need a group who will take you, and you are expected to do well. Even in a guild, if you're doing half the required dps you are going to get a talking to, especially if you're failing dps checks.

So i'm calling BS on your whole post.

[Khaidal]

I find most people are extremely sloppy in their own speech and writings and apply the same sloppiness to how they interpret the words of others.

I guess we'll leave it at this then, since you have no interest in clarifying your stance.

[Faliandra]

Yeah, uhm, nobody is going to average 1.7 million dps in wow currently. Even mythic raiders are only getting around ~1mil. That's burst DPS, max, or heavy cleave. I can burst up to 2mil easy, and hold it for a little bit (depending on the fight), but it sinks down to about 600k. People doing 500k average are doing pretty decent dps, that's like entry level dps for the heroic Nighthold. People who suck in wow don't get the best gear if they just grind long enough, you need a group who will take you, and you are expected to do well. Even in a guild, if you're doing half the required dps you are going to get a talking to, especially if you're failing dps checks.

So i'm calling BS on your whole post.

Such Anger. Much BS. Wow.

Way to completely miss the entire point of my post, gg.
I do not play WoW anymore, but I used to play it with him. And if I know 2 things, then its: (1) He was always way above most other people's dps despite NOT being the "flavor of the month"
and (2) that there are SPECIFIC times when you should be using CDs to burst. And if thats when hes doing that kind of damage while others are at barely 500k or less. Then how is that good?

Its really funny how youre calling my whole post BS over the word "average dps" which may or may not have been used the wrong way. Its not like he wrote a detailed essay about it to me.
Why are we even discussing this?

My friggin point was that parsers wont magically make bad players disappear? So hard to understand?