I'm calling it the Epidemic. (This is a rant, if you dont wanna hear it, don't click)

[Faliandra]

I feel like it may have to do with the lack of parser support. When someone can see how bad they are doing for themselves, they can make the decision to change and improve on their own.

Nah. Not really.

My bf is a WoW player from day 1 and literally everyone uses parsers there. its like, the basic of the basic addons. And he averages 1.7m dps there while other ppl of the same class with same or better gear
average 500k. He moans about it every day. And thats during actual RAIDS, not DF stuff. But when the enablers are in your own fc...then theres only so much you can do.
The only difference is that there you can call people out on their BS, and here, you have to be careful about it.

But honestly, I felt that this game has better players overall than for example WoW.

[Venjenz]

But honestly, I felt that this game has better players overall than for example WoW.

It does, for one huge reason - to progress the story and unlock content, levels and abilities...you have to do dungeon content. No choice. To even start Heavensward content, you had to do all 284 main scenario quests minimum, but probably did a decent amount of FATE, Leve and DF grinding to keep the levels consistent with the questlines. In WoW, just follow the exclamation points from zone to zone while soloing, and you'll ding max level inside 2-3 weeks, max. Then, do dailies for factions and buy (max - 2) tier raid gear, also can be done totally solo. Then wait for next xpac to mudflate inside the first zone's starter quests. You can stay just under bleeding edge in WoW and never join a party once. And for the most part, getting to one or two tiers below max raid gear for an xpac takes roughly 2 months from release, and can literally be done entirely solo.

FF14 is the only MMO that forces as much group content as it does. And yeah, the players in FF14 are the better for it.

[Averax]

Nah. Not really.

My bf is a WoW player from day 1 and literally everyone uses parsers there. its like, the basic of the basic addons. And he averages 1.7m dps there while other ppl of the same class with same or better gear
average 500k. He moans about it every day. And thats during actual RAIDS, not DF stuff. But when the enablers are in your own fc...then theres only so much you can do.
The only difference is that there you can call people out on their BS, and here, you have to be careful about it.

But honestly, I felt that this game has better players overall than for example WoW.

Yeah, uhm, nobody is going to average 1.7 million dps in wow currently. Even mythic raiders are only getting around ~1mil. That's burst DPS, max, or heavy cleave. I can burst up to 2mil easy, and hold it for a little bit (depending on the fight), but it sinks down to about 600k. People doing 500k average are doing pretty decent dps, that's like entry level dps for the heroic Nighthold. People who suck in wow don't get the best gear if they just grind long enough, you need a group who will take you, and you are expected to do well. Even in a guild, if you're doing half the required dps you are going to get a talking to, especially if you're failing dps checks.

So i'm calling BS on your whole post.

[Faliandra]

Yeah, uhm, nobody is going to average 1.7 million dps in wow currently. Even mythic raiders are only getting around ~1mil. That's burst DPS, max, or heavy cleave. I can burst up to 2mil easy, and hold it for a little bit (depending on the fight), but it sinks down to about 600k. People doing 500k average are doing pretty decent dps, that's like entry level dps for the heroic Nighthold. People who suck in wow don't get the best gear if they just grind long enough, you need a group who will take you, and you are expected to do well. Even in a guild, if you're doing half the required dps you are going to get a talking to, especially if you're failing dps checks.

So i'm calling BS on your whole post.

Such Anger. Much BS. Wow.

Way to completely miss the entire point of my post, gg.
I do not play WoW anymore, but I used to play it with him. And if I know 2 things, then its: (1) He was always way above most other people's dps despite NOT being the "flavor of the month"
and (2) that there are SPECIFIC times when you should be using CDs to burst. And if thats when hes doing that kind of damage while others are at barely 500k or less. Then how is that good?

Its really funny how youre calling my whole post BS over the word "average dps" which may or may not have been used the wrong way. Its not like he wrote a detailed essay about it to me.
Why are we even discussing this?

My friggin point was that parsers wont magically make bad players disappear? So hard to understand?

[Nestama]

My friggin point was that parsers wont magically make bad players disappear? So hard to understand?

It won't make them disappear, but it will make it much easier to spot them.

[Faliandra]

It won't make them disappear, but it will make it much easier to spot them.

Which is what I said in my previous post.
Do you even read stuff or just randomly chime in
To comment on stuff that has already been said?

I'm not against parsers. I'm just saying it won't do miracles.

[Nestama]

Which is what I said in my previous post.
Do you even read stuff or just randomly chime in
To comment on stuff that has already been said?

I'm not against parsers. I'm just saying it won't do miracles.

I randomly chime in if the thought sparks. Nothing will change that.
That said and looking back on your post, I think the FFXIV community should be a little less "careful" when it comes to criticism. Why do we "have to" be careful about what we say? Are we that afraid of being kicked (whatever), reported (there's no offence to report), or potentially making someone feel bad for a minute? Criticism, if done right, helps in most cases. Yes, it will make someone feel bad for a bit, but if they don't want to 'feel bad' in future runs, then they'll try to do better... though that's if they're someone who actually does want to try and is not someone who thinks their sub is the holy grail and everyone else should feel honoured to be carrying them.

Now if someone is using "criticism" to insult someone, then it's not criticism. That's just being a jerk.