[Spoiler] Support Papalymo for 4.0!

[Vexander]

As much as I am against a lot of, 'Not really dead,' moments, I do feel like Papalymo should be revealed to of survived and have been taken captive by the Garleans.

For one thing, he was never really properly given development the way Thancred and Y'shtola were, and the way Lyse will be given development in Stormblood. For another, he's probably the strongest link we have left to Louisoix, having been his protege, and I don't think that Legacy should be handed over to Alphinaud or Alisae. Finally, there's a disrupt in the narrative where the Archons are concerned, as until this point there has always been an Archon to act as a channel of communication and expertise with the nations of the Eorzean Alliance. While Y'shtola can continue to be the specialist where Limsa Lominsa is concerned and Thancred can maintain his role as a bridge between the Scions of the Seventh Dawn and Ul'dah, the loss of both Yda and Papalymo will leave Gridania lacking in an Archon who has experience and knowledge pertinent to Gridanian interests, as well as the trust and loyalty of Gridania itself.

I can't say I see anyone in the Scions who could fill that bill either. I'm expecting Alphinaud to act as our Ishgard intermediary and Alisae to get some thorough development and become the same for Ala Mhigo or Doma, depending on the role Lyse will take up at the end of Stormblood when Ala Mhigo is liberated.

However, Gridania still needs its intermediary. I think Papalymo is the proper person for that, perhaps even more-so now that Lyse is moving on with her life. Arguably Urianger could step up to fill the role, but I don't feel he has the same qualifications necessary, and that he's best off in his current, existing role.

[odintius]

Readies his shovel... And ask how deep to dig the hole should be

[Atlaworks]

Dude, did you guys not learn your lesson with Nanamo? Let's not do another fake death before expansion, please. That ruined a lot of death credibility before, and that only got won back by Haurchefant.

Just let the little shite die so Lyse can have her character development.

[Dualgunner]

Dude, did you guys not learn your lesson with Nanamo? Let's not do another fake death before expansion, please. That ruined a lot of death credibility before, and that only got won back by Haurchefant.

Just let the little shite die so Lyse can have her character development.

I stand by it'd be an amazing reveal if they just had a really convincing stand in for the sultana and the real one is actually dead.

[Atlaworks]

I stand by it'd be an amazing reveal if they just had a really convincing stand in for the sultana and the real one is actually dead.

Is "Lolorito in a dress" convincing? Because I think it is.

[Dualgunner]

Is "Lolorito in a dress" convincing? Because I think it is.

I'm not saying anything, but I haven't seen Lolorito and the Sultana in the same room after her revival (queue pics of them together after her revival)

[Theodric]

It would be incredibly silly to have yet another character return from the dead, especially when 2.55 was heavily criticised for doing exactly that with almost every single character involved. It also serves to cheapen the sense of danger and impact of death to the point where everybody will just start rolling their eyes when a character 'dies' because there will be a chance they can return and if they don't then people will just kick up a fuss and demand their favourite character(s) to be brought back because other characters were.

[Synrin]

Besides you KNOW youd love to see this be a great 4.0 finale.

YES YES YES

[Nixxe]

It was bad enough that they killed everyone off just prior to 3.0 only to SURPRISE THEY ALL SURVIVED later. Let's not keep doing that same stupid thing. It cheapens deaths as a plot device and ruins the story.

[Vexander]

People who point out the Sultana's, "Death," are entirely valid to do so. That was a plot moving demise with significant, far-reaching implications for the narrative of the game. I too hope she actually died and what we have now is that, 'remnant of the Thorne dynasty,' that was mentioned before.

However, Papalymo's death doesn't signify anything that important to the narrative or the plot. At most it is the catalyst which convinces Lyse to finally start living her life for herself, but once she has begun to do so, there is no point to Papalymo's continued death. I feel its important when the death of character -has- that impact on the plot and the narrative, such as the death of Haurchefant and Ysayle during Heavensward did. Or even the death of characters like Ilberd. These deaths meant something, and they affected the story. Papalymo's death pales in comparison. Its wasted potential. He wasn't developed enough, and we didn't have enough investment in him emotionally to be strongly affected by his death.