Question about Palace of the Dead about a recent encounter

[Keikun]

Personally, depends on what and how you're going after silver chests.

I don't mind if you explore the entire floor for them. Just please don't expect me to explore it with you. I'm the type that picks them up along the way. You try to coerce me, I'll kick you.

I don't mind if you engage monsters to get your chest, by yourself. Run into a pack of 10 and bringing them to me in an attempt to get me to help you and if we don't wipe, I'll kick you.

Any form of aggressive and/or offensive approach to get me to go actively after silver chests and I'll kick you.

EDIT: also, Idk about this "tourist" thing (does that mean exploring?). Actually Idk about any of those statements. Most of the time I run potd (and I been doing a crapton of it since its inception), I've had very, very, VERY FEW runs where someone tried to do any of the things I've mentioned to me. Take that as you will.

The worst kind of player, right here.

[SenSaitoru]

I just ask at the beginning what the group wants to do and go along with what the group decided on. Most of the time, its usually speed runs and picking up chest we happen to see along the way.Usually even if its decided to be a speed run, if someone ask to look for silver chest,most groups I've been with have no problems with it. Personally, if I want to run POTd mainly for silver chest, I just go with friends or FC members.

[Sida]

- their aetherpool matches the current level somewhat - the chance to get an upgrade is related to how close your aetherpool is to the floorlevel. So I see little point in looking for chests on floors 1-10 for someone who has an aetherpool of 30+ (for example)

That, I believe, was fixed along the way at some point, maybe when the 50+ levels were released if I don't recall wrong. I remember reading about it back then, and my recent findings support it. I was running levels 1-20 solo and even if my aether pool was in 80/80 range, I got as good upgrade sticking rate as I would get on more "proper" levelset, only occasional failure. If that is correct, the current aether pool level is no reason to not gather the silver chests.

[SenorPatty]

The worst kind of player, right here.

You're right. What I should be doing is yell, cuss and kick out people to fit whatever mood I'm in for in a potd run cuz those are the best type of players.

[Ama_Hamada]

How is this a ToS violation? I've clearly stated equal measures for me and the party member: if he/she want's to do all room, I'm okay with it. I'm not holding anyone hostage since I've fulfilled the criteria of opening thepassage. All I'm expecting from the other player is the equal courtesy to not demand from me to explore all rooms just like I'm not demanding the player to come to the gate if they have unfinished buisiness (such as finding their chest).

I would not purposely drag an entire mob of rooms to my other party members If I was looking for chests just in the same way I expect them not to do me the same.

I would not harass or be aggressive with someone if they didn't come with me for chests just like I expect them to do the same.


So please enlighten me Ama, how am I breaking the ToS?

EDIT: May I also remind you that I've already stated that I pick chests along the way? All types >.>

I don't mind if you engage monsters to get your chest, by yourself.

ToS violation, I find it amusing people try defend themselves when they are in clear violation. If you are sitting at portal, doing nothing while they get aggro, and esp if they ask for help, you ignore this, it is a ToS violation and a valid kick, me and my friend kicked people for this. (esp with her call macros). It is called not precipitating. not sure why you even asked that, when I did explain it already.

Your first post also suggests you are kick abusing at times, and you can be reported on that as well.

Edit:
Need to ask, what have you done when people ran off with low aetherpool get aggro and ask for help? Do you still sit there? That is more in line what I am talking about. Some other posts I seen after yours, sitting on the portal is ok in those situations, it just crosses over to ToS violation when you are ignoring calls for help.

[Zojha]

ToS violation, I find it amusing people try defend themselves when they are in clear violation.

By the same logic, gatherers in Diadem not participating in battle content when asked to would violate the ToS. I doubt a GM would support either case.

Seems more like "Playstyle differences".

[Ama_Hamada]

By the same logic, gatherers in Diadem not participating in battle content when asked to would violate the ToS. I doubt a GM would support either case.

Seems more like "Playstyle differences".

incorrect, cant twist stories around to suit your narrative. Not the same "logic"

[Zojha]

incorrect, cant twist stories around to suit your narrative.

Says the person who insists PvE is more toxic than PvP.

I'm not even going to bother arguing.

[Ama_Hamada]

Says the person who insists PvE is more toxic than PvP.

I'm not even going to bother arguing.

You and SenorPatty are actually proving that point, lol. How often do you see PvP players post attacking people? I know a good PvP MCH around these parts that is nothing bot helpful. Btw, as said, if someone asks for help, and you sit there at portal, saying "i want to speed run" a GM does side with the complaint. It is not "play style differences" at that point.

Edit for below because I need to keep my post limits. I will be repeating myself, it is called not precipitating, that is the ToS violation and they do take those reports.
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.
3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.

all the speed runners I ran into violated both of these. GMs take the calls. It is not "playstyle differences" when you are ignoring help calls.

[Vidu]

ToS violation, I find it amusing people try defend themselves when they are in clear violation. If you are sitting at portal, doing nothing while they get aggro, and esp if they ask for help, you ignore this, it is a ToS violation and a valid kick, me and my friend kicked people for this. (esp with her call macros). It is called not precipitating. not sure why you even asked that, when I did explain it already.

Your first post also suggests you are kick abusing at times, and you can be reported on that as well.

We went ove rthis before, Ama - how is that a ToS-violation?
You dont have to help anyone in there. No is there so you and your friend can achieve your goal easier and faster. Of you're freaking allowed to ignore "calls for help"
You're not kicking for "ToS-Violation" but for "difference in playstyle" - just as much as someone who kicks someone who goes off by themself and making three other people wait kicks for "difference in playstyle"

I can only repeat that no on is in the right here - both sides are totally valid. No one has to help anyone - neither with getting chests nor with faster progress, but if the majority agrees on something thats the "meta" for that run.
May I suggest that anyone who refers to kicking people on a recent basis just stays away from DF and forms a party themself? What you're doing might not be a ToS-violation, but its a jerk-move to get into content, enforce your rules and remove anyone who doesnt obey them. If you're taking a friend with you to ensure that a kick goes through, it already smells a bit fishy to me - and in the case of PotD if you already have a second person to do this content with and you want to make sure your runs go a certain way may I suggest to dou it?
If thats to much of an inconvenience to you or you want to speed your runs up by adding more people in, you'll have to deal with them in a proper way - and not being willing to compromisse, demanding them to follow your "orders" (or cries for help, whatever term you prefer) makes you the jerk in this moment, no matter your goal.

Honestly by now I wished they'd put in two queue-options for PotD - one for silver chests and one for leveling (without silver chests at all). I'd be curious to see which sides cries first...