Question about Palace of the Dead about a recent encounter

[Ama_Hamada]

How is this a ToS violation? I've clearly stated equal measures for me and the party member: if he/she want's to do all room, I'm okay with it. I'm not holding anyone hostage since I've fulfilled the criteria of opening thepassage. All I'm expecting from the other player is the equal courtesy to not demand from me to explore all rooms just like I'm not demanding the player to come to the gate if they have unfinished buisiness (such as finding their chest).

I would not purposely drag an entire mob of rooms to my other party members If I was looking for chests just in the same way I expect them not to do me the same.

I would not harass or be aggressive with someone if they didn't come with me for chests just like I expect them to do the same.


So please enlighten me Ama, how am I breaking the ToS?

EDIT: May I also remind you that I've already stated that I pick chests along the way? All types >.>

I don't mind if you engage monsters to get your chest, by yourself.

ToS violation, I find it amusing people try defend themselves when they are in clear violation. If you are sitting at portal, doing nothing while they get aggro, and esp if they ask for help, you ignore this, it is a ToS violation and a valid kick, me and my friend kicked people for this. (esp with her call macros). It is called not precipitating. not sure why you even asked that, when I did explain it already.

Your first post also suggests you are kick abusing at times, and you can be reported on that as well.

Edit:
Need to ask, what have you done when people ran off with low aetherpool get aggro and ask for help? Do you still sit there? That is more in line what I am talking about. Some other posts I seen after yours, sitting on the portal is ok in those situations, it just crosses over to ToS violation when you are ignoring calls for help.

[Zojha]

ToS violation, I find it amusing people try defend themselves when they are in clear violation.

By the same logic, gatherers in Diadem not participating in battle content when asked to would violate the ToS. I doubt a GM would support either case.

Seems more like "Playstyle differences".

[Ama_Hamada]

By the same logic, gatherers in Diadem not participating in battle content when asked to would violate the ToS. I doubt a GM would support either case.

Seems more like "Playstyle differences".

incorrect, cant twist stories around to suit your narrative. Not the same "logic"

[Zojha]

incorrect, cant twist stories around to suit your narrative.

Says the person who insists PvE is more toxic than PvP.

I'm not even going to bother arguing.

[Ama_Hamada]

Says the person who insists PvE is more toxic than PvP.

I'm not even going to bother arguing.

You and SenorPatty are actually proving that point, lol. How often do you see PvP players post attacking people? I know a good PvP MCH around these parts that is nothing bot helpful. Btw, as said, if someone asks for help, and you sit there at portal, saying "i want to speed run" a GM does side with the complaint. It is not "play style differences" at that point.

Edit for below because I need to keep my post limits. I will be repeating myself, it is called not precipitating, that is the ToS violation and they do take those reports.
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.
3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.

all the speed runners I ran into violated both of these. GMs take the calls. It is not "playstyle differences" when you are ignoring help calls.

[Vidu]

Edit for below because I need to keep my post limits. I will be repeating myself, it is called not precipitating, that is the ToS violation and they do take those reports.
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.
3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.

all the speed runners I ran into violated both of these. GMs take the calls. It is not "playstyle differences" when you are ignoring help calls.

3.2: How is me not helping you in a dungeon that can be solo'd "disruptive" to your gameplay? If you bite of more than you can chew you're dead - easy as that. By that logic: Is someone who isnt helping you with open world content disruptive to your gameplay aswell? We can also turn that one around easly: By not going into the teleporter you're interrupting my game at that very moment. You're hindering my progression aswell in that very moment.
At least I do not interpret this section as "You have to help your fellow players if they ask you to" - it merely says that you're not allowed to actively disrupt their gameplay (for example: Killing questmobs just so people cant finish their quests or interupting teleports by trading - I believe they've fixed the later, but that was disrupting someones gameplay. Not going out of your way to help someone clean up the mess they've made themself is not).

3.3 No arguing with that - but you're generalising here. Politely asking to please step into the teleporter or neutrally declining to help you is perfectly acceptable behaviour and not a violation of the ToS.

Again - kicking for difference in playstyle and not ToS-violation (as long as no one curses). Ignoring a help call is neither disruptive nor is it making use of offensive language.
If my understanding of 3.2 is wrong, I'd like a GM to official confirm its actual meaning.

[SenorPatty]

Snip.

How do you keep using a clause in the ToS that can work just as equally in PotD for you or myself to prove your point? You said not participating is this particular ToS violation.

So killing monsters to activate the passage and waiting there, thus ensuring that I'm part of the floor progression is not participating but ignoring someone who wants to go far off into the floor after chests, which btw does not progress the floor, is?

I never stated I was speed running. I just offer a compromise. I don't step on people's toes when they go through a swath of monsters to get what they want and I hope they extend the same courtesy when I wait for them.

You on the other hand explicitly have said in many potd related threads that if people don't bend to your requests, they're ToS violators and they're not doing anything.

At least be honest with yourself and just express displeasure and don't try to hide behind your interpretation of a clause that basically suits everyone equally.

Edit: I also see your PvP contention has resurfaced. This explains so much. No wonder you and your friend always seem like you have a bad time ingame. You think the game works for yourselves

[Vidu]

ToS violation, I find it amusing people try defend themselves when they are in clear violation. If you are sitting at portal, doing nothing while they get aggro, and esp if they ask for help, you ignore this, it is a ToS violation and a valid kick, me and my friend kicked people for this. (esp with her call macros). It is called not precipitating. not sure why you even asked that, when I did explain it already.

Your first post also suggests you are kick abusing at times, and you can be reported on that as well.

We went ove rthis before, Ama - how is that a ToS-violation?
You dont have to help anyone in there. No is there so you and your friend can achieve your goal easier and faster. Of you're freaking allowed to ignore "calls for help"
You're not kicking for "ToS-Violation" but for "difference in playstyle" - just as much as someone who kicks someone who goes off by themself and making three other people wait kicks for "difference in playstyle"

I can only repeat that no on is in the right here - both sides are totally valid. No one has to help anyone - neither with getting chests nor with faster progress, but if the majority agrees on something thats the "meta" for that run.
May I suggest that anyone who refers to kicking people on a recent basis just stays away from DF and forms a party themself? What you're doing might not be a ToS-violation, but its a jerk-move to get into content, enforce your rules and remove anyone who doesnt obey them. If you're taking a friend with you to ensure that a kick goes through, it already smells a bit fishy to me - and in the case of PotD if you already have a second person to do this content with and you want to make sure your runs go a certain way may I suggest to dou it?
If thats to much of an inconvenience to you or you want to speed your runs up by adding more people in, you'll have to deal with them in a proper way - and not being willing to compromisse, demanding them to follow your "orders" (or cries for help, whatever term you prefer) makes you the jerk in this moment, no matter your goal.

Honestly by now I wished they'd put in two queue-options for PotD - one for silver chests and one for leveling (without silver chests at all). I'd be curious to see which sides cries first...

[Zojha]

Honestly by now I wished they'd put in two queue-options for PotD - one for silver chests and one for leveling (without silver chests at all). I'd be curious to see which sides cries first...

And two options for regular DF while you're at it:
Slow and Steady
Speedrun

Kinda like they ended up making Trials of the Fury and Trials of the Matron (although they could've separated those even better).

[Vidu]

And two options for regular DF while you're at it:
Slow and Steady
Speedrun

Kinda like they ended up making Trials of the Fury and Trials of the Matron (although they could've separated those even better).

I'm not to sure how practical it would be for normal dungeons tbh - but yes, just like they've seperated the Diadem-queues and how we have RF for EX-trials and raids