Question about Palace of the Dead about a recent encounter

[Vidu]

i see some really big design flaws in PotD
silver chests are not more important than exp, but it's both important. this poor guy who only want silver chests gets NOTHING when you skip all the silver chests and especially when you kick him. you waste ALL his time. he wastes only a few minutes of yours, you get your exp anyway after clearing the boss. you are more self centered than anybody who goes for the silver chests, and then you are talking about respect. laughable!

Yes, I'm talking about respect because actually talking to your teammates and figuring out a solution that works for the majority of the group is the solution here - I never talked about kicking someone straight away but only after they've proven themself uncooperative to what the majority of the group wants.
You can do PotD solo or with a smaller group, by using to DF to speed things up for yourself or to play it safe you have to accept that you're playing with other indivduals that are there for their goal, not to personally help you. Doing whatever the hell you want (specially when its the opposite to what your party wishes) is selfish and respectless - and yes, I know this comes off a bit strong right now, but just because you still need silver doesnt make you the leader of the run who gets to decide.
Both sides need to be open for communication and compromisses; wanting silver does not grant you the morale highground. The convenience and safety of using the DF comes naturally with having to deal with other people and their intrests and you need to respect that.

I'm personally okay with going out of my way in PotD under the following conditions:
- person who wants silver chests asks in party chat
- their aetherpool matches the current level somewhat - the chance to get an upgrade is related to how close your aetherpool is to the floorlevel. So I see little point in looking for chests on floors 1-10 for someone who has an aetherpool of 30+ (for example)
- party seems more or less competent

The only real design flaw I'm seeing in PotD is the addition of the DF - I mean, that content was designed to allow us to go in with flexible groups, so that no one had ever go near DF again to avoid excatly disagreements like this: There isnt - and shouldnt be! - a meta on how this content is played in DF - beside "Talk to your party to figure out what works for you right now"
If you are not willing to do that - no matter if you cant deal with "no speed run" or "no chests" you dont belong in a random-matched party and are only going to make that a stressful experience for everyone involved.
The solution cant be a flat out "you always have to go for silver chests"

[SpookyGhost]

A simple way to look at it is:

If you make a pre-made party then everyone's on the same page and you run no risk of having conflicting interests. However, if you enter DF then majority rules.

That said, as mentioned, PotD has a huge game design flaw in that people can have separate, conflicting goals. Since the content is the way it is you just kinda have to work within those design decisions but it's unfortunate that you have to. Hopefully they'll rework PotD in SB, though I have little faith in them being able to fix new content with the way that the Diadem rework was handled.

[NaesakiAshwell]

Asking for mutual respect in this game is unfortunately too big of an ask for a lot of players :/

[Vidu]

Asking for mutual respect in this game is unfortunately too big of an ask for a lot of players :/

I know... I know...

But I have to really repeat my point here: Mutual respect means respect on both sides - not someone who'd prefer faster progression in PotD bending over for someone who wants to go for chests. Thats the important part to me here - no one is more "right" only for wanting silver.

[hiedra]

I'm at +99/+99 so naturally I'd rather do speed runs, but playing with other people means compromise. If somebody is looking for silver chests I'll generally try to help them unless I don't notice (which embarrassingly enough has happened a few times)

I also feel it's counterproductive to sit by the portal for several minutes waiting for the rest of the party to arrive. If you actually go and help people that are lagging behind they'll get to the portal faster. But that's just my opinion or whatever.

[Jandor]

Sitting on the portal while the rest of the party is still fighting is super obnoxious. I've seen people break off and head for the exit even when it opens mid fight, what's all that about...

I mean, if you get to it then one guy turns round and sprints off to the other side of the level then sure, whatever, that guy can run off on his own and do his thing, that's pretty annoying behavior as well.



tl;dr, do whatever you want in silence. It's incredibly rare for anyone on either side to do anything other than not help anyway.

[Zojha]

I'm starting to get flashbacks to the:
"If you're last pick, do you have to support?" debates from my LoL days.

Working as a team is hard >.>

[JunseiKei]

I've noticed that when 1-2 people of the 4 player matched start to sit at the teleport for the next floor, the others tend to start skipping chests.
I've also noticed that if you're just 1 person sitting at the teleporter while others want to go for chests, they don't complain. Worse comes to worst, they drag monsters to you and everyone kills them. Sometimes, just sitting there has prevented a floor wipe because the others aggro'd too much or set off a spawn trap and it's an all DPS group on levels before most have AoE skills (seen that multiple times).

I could be entirely lucky in all of my PotD runs, but I'm not about to start a fire for no reason and sometimes all you need is tolerance. Especially on something that's fairly relaxing.

[Natsuno]

I'm in PotD for both, so I will actively go hunting for chests. If 3 people sit on the teleport for the first couple of floors I will 'test the water' as it were as one or two of them may just be there because they feel they have to, and not because they want to skip everything.

If it continues to be 3 people on the teleporter, then I will get the hint and go with the majority. I may still try and sneak an extra chest here and there, and if I come running with one or two adds, it's because I have reasoned it will be quicker for a four people to zerg them down than it would be for me to kill them solo where I (sometimes accidentally) pulled them. More often than not I would of DoT'd it/them up as I was running, so it's not really that much of a biggy.

I dislike speed running in PotD (I am fine with it in regular dungeons), and feel like they should make their own PF for such a thing, but them's the breaks when you sign up for DF.

[Maero]

If people want to join with randoms and refuse to do what others want for silver chests even then Yes i see no reason why they should not be voted out.
It would all come down to the group however if they wanted to vote out said person.