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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadmar View Post
    I mean, I agree to a point. Heck, I wish everyone I ran into in game and in life was super polite all the time. But that's just not how things work. My point is you're really better off just letting these things slide off your back rather than getting work up over them and wanting to report people for it. Etiquette rules in a game like this are not, nor should be, black and white. There is a ton of grey area involved, which is why context is soooo important.

    Also... Poverty? wut?
    I somewhat agree that context is important, however i think even so that doesn't excuse you from doing wrong. Doing wrong is doing wrong regardless the excuse. The report system is in the game so why not let a GM know when someone is doing wrong? If the system was useless or barely had any effect i doubt they would still be paying GM's to take care of peoples harassment issues. So surely just letting things slide all the time and letting people treat you like crud is not the way to go. I mean for example right now i feel a heck of a lot better knowing a GM probably told that guy to knock it off instead of just letting him get away with it. Maybe for some people its less stressful on them to just take the harassment, but there is also other people who would feel better with peace of mind that the bad guy got what he possibly deserved. Whether its less stressful or not on the victim to not report, no one should get away with treating others poorly.
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  2. #102
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    Sida Bajihri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizunoko View Post
    I somewhat agree that context is important, however i think even so that doesn't excuse you from doing wrong. Doing wrong is doing wrong regardless the excuse. The report system is in the game so why not let a GM know when someone is doing wrong? If the system was useless or barely had any effect i doubt they would still be paying GM's to take care of peoples harassment issues. So surely just letting things slide all the time and letting people treat you like crud is not the way to go. I mean for example right now i feel a heck of a lot better knowing a GM probably told that guy to knock it off instead of just letting him get away with it. Maybe for some people its less stressful on them to just take the harassment, but there is also other people who would feel better with peace of mind that the bad guy got what he possibly deserved. Whether its less stressful or not on the victim to not report, no one should get away with treating others poorly.
    You use the word harassment a lot but seem to only include it meaning "someone swearing at someone(me)". That is not how the word works, and while we don't know better, it's entirely possible you were harassing the other guys quite as much as you feel they harassed you, in this specific case or in general in your interactions. Sticking with the argument "But it's against the ToS" that strictly sounds to me like a classic case of a person who only cares about the word of the law, not the spirit of it. And for you any sort of mean spirited commentary is rather ok to use, as long as there's not few of those arbitrary chosen words that you can then blame others for using.
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  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sida View Post
    You use the word harassment a lot but seem to only include it meaning "someone swearing at someone(me)". That is not how the word works, and while we don't know better, it's entirely possible you were harassing the other guys quite as much as you feel they harassed you, in this specific case or in general in your interactions. Sticking with the argument "But it's against the ToS" that strictly sounds to me like a classic case of a person who only cares about the word of the law, not the spirit of it. And for you any sort of mean spirited commentary is rather ok to use, as long as there's not few of those arbitrary chosen words that you can then blame others for using.
    I never once said that harassment only has one definition, that swearing is harassment. It's obvious to anyone that harassment can mean a number of things and is circumstantial. That doesn't really mean that swearing at someone isn't harassment. Just because i use the word in the way i did does not mean i'm ignorant to its other meanings or the flexibility of what harassment can be. A guy swore at me and called me names and if that offended me it can be defined as harassment. As for the whole spirit of the law thing, it's the same case saying that does not invalidate that the word of the law also means something and is clear and important. I mean if that were the case then judges would be judging purely on what their own moral views are and be biased about things. Instead we have it written on paper as well so we know there is a limit to what is excused by morality or whatever else and what is not. Spirit of the law or not, there is still a line you can't cross or you get in trouble. Even if it was about the spirit of the law in this case for giggles lets say i was a jerk to that guy from the start and instigated or harassed him first, that still does not excuse his swearing. As someone in this thread once said before, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Breaking the rules is still breaking the rules even if i were to start the fight or swear as well. The spirit of the law can only decide so much of an outcome, at some point it still falls down to "did they break the rules or not?"
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  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadmar View Post
    Also... Poverty? wut?
    Bad choice of words. Sue me lol.
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  5. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    but him "asking justice" in forums I don't think is a good idea.
    I don't even know how to respond to this. I mean nowhere have i even once asked for justice in this forum from the community. I merely wanted to get input from others about what they thought was worth reporting or not. It is actually quite an insult to assume i'm so stupid that i would think going to the forum community would get me justice. It's just so.......wow i have no idea how you ended up at that conclusion. I apologize if i sound like i'm starting to get aggressive or flamey its just some people go SO off subject it actually amazes me how they even got that far away from this threads point.
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  6. #106
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    Thats why I avoid everything as possible that is connected with RNG crap and things like THE Fate you need(only for 1 relic weapons that gets worthless after next expansion). <.<;

    I only get salty by that... .. and I dont wanna turn to a salty person.
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  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove View Post
    Thats why I avoid everything as possible that is connected with RNG crap and things like THE Fate you need(only for 1 relic weapons that gets worthless after next expansion). <.<;

    I only get salty by that... .. and I dont wanna turn to a salty person.
    People know it gets outdated in expansions but not everyone does them for the same reasons. They are also very popular as glamour items, and also until said expansions release the relics are always relevant and useful as far as non-glamour reasons are concerned. Not to say that your whole reply is wrong, just that not everyone see's them as worthless even after expansions make them just glamour pieces. As for the salty thing, i doubt grinding relics makes you a salty person. I know plenty of nice people that have multiple finished relics. I think its more just encountering the wrong people who don't have good social skills or just plain aren't a good person.
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  9. #108
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    You can report whoever you want. Whether it'll actually do anything or not is up to the GM.
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