Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Stormbad]

Healers and tanks don't just have one experience, though,that's the thing.

I am nowhere near Dun Scaith yet, and I have plenty of tanking horror stories from that one DPS who just had to berate and heckle me mercilessly. I haven't been kicked yet, but I am sure once I hit the 24 man game, I will...just becase I tank and eventually, a member of the Hate Squad will decide I am their next victim. Not a matter of if, but when. As content gets harder, people get less patient, less helpful and less polite. I am imagine by the time DS rolls around, half the raid is people who are one missed keystroke away from going postal.

I not only understand the healer in this story never wanting to heal Dun Scaith again, I applaud it. If every tank and healer who got treated like garbage and vote kicked for pure nonsense simply quit, then two wonderful things would happen - (1) the player who quits putting up with that stuff severs a source of major AND THANKLESS annoyance out of their lives, and (2) those knucklehead idiots who are so freaking toxic can either do the job themselves or wait in longer queues for a decreasing pool of willing victims. Win-win, imho.

I know this one story has me questioning whether to ever even attempt raid tanking in FF14, because it seems like nothing but sheer misery for way too little reward.

I disagree with your suggestion. What you are asking is people not to run content when bad things happen to them. What if they need to do the content? You are asking people not to get things done in their limited play time simply to increase a queue time for others as punishment?
In your own situation, you should have vote kicked that DPS who was berating you and heckle you mercilessly instead of letting them get away with it. This is assuming you are actually in the right.

And as a player who has played since beta, I can tell you that from my own experience, all my LS experience and my FC experience, your assumptions about people in harder content are mostly wrong. But when that idiot comes out to make you miserable, do something about it instead of doing nothing. I would encourage you to own the content instead of letting the bads own the content.

[JinRoSul]

i..was that dark knight in your alliance oh my god i feel so bad im so sorry. i hit yes on the dismissal vote because when i looked at your status mid fight id see you 90% in cleric stance and i just had leveling horror memories as a newbie tank of being placed with synced down scholars who never leave CS and have me die in dungeons and because i saw my hp at 10% sometimes after tankbusters.

i apologize and i hope i didnt cause too much of hard feelings :+( i honestly have no clue how to gauge healer, or really any non-tank performance being relatively new like...2 and a half months and only maining tank.

Yeah, you should feel bad. It never amazes me how s****y people are towards others in this game. And blaming it on excuses makes you look even worse.
You need to work on your awareness. I mean, to not even know what's gong on in your party and just blindly accept a vote kick like that? Pathetic.

The only silver lining is the lolDRG (who the healer was out DPSing btw) is the biggest stain overall.

[bounddreamer]

I know this one story has me questioning whether to ever even attempt raid tanking in FF14, because it seems like nothing but sheer misery for way too little reward.

If you want to be a raid tank you have to have, or be able to develop, a pretty thick skin.

[Venjenz]

I disagree with your suggestion. What you are asking is people not to run content when bad things happen to them. What if they need to do the content? You are asking people not to get things done in their limited play time simply to increase a queue time for others as punishment?

What I am suggesting is that there are more enjoyable ways to spend free time than to be berated and abused by toxic idiots. Video games are meant to be fun, not second jobs. If my experiences are such that "doing the content" requires being treated horribly by other people, then th content is simply not worth doing.

In your own situation, you should have vote kicked that DPS who was berating you and heckle you mercilessly instead of letting them get away with it. This is assuming you are actually in the right.

Every time I have been treated badly, it was DF 8 man. In those occasions, everyone does stuff wrong, including me. Chrysalis and Titan(H) are good examples. Lots of mechanics, lots of people goofing up lots of stuff. And now and then, someone, almost always a wildly overgeared DPS who hates their daily DF chore, picks on tanks and healers. Being newer to the game and still leveling, I figure I'll just deal with it and do exactly as you say...get the content done. But it sucks being treated so badly, and it makes me sigh every time I hit the "join" button in DF.

And as a player who has played since beta, I can tell you that from my own experience, all my LS experience and my FC experience, your assumptions about people in harder content are mostly wrong. But when that idiot comes out to make you miserable, do something about it instead of doing nothing. I would encourage you to own the content instead of letting the bads own the content.

I only know DF, and this is a DF horror story thread. In DF, so far as my limited experience goes, the harder the content gets, the worse people act, particularly to tanks and healers. And while I am new and do make mistakes, I hae macros that explain if I am first time in a new dungeon and one for if I have only done the dungeona few times. I try to be polite, honest, etc...and I do try to learn the fights, the rotations, the best way to tank, etc. But there are players who make it really hard to ever press that "join" button again, and for the most part, tey tend to be far more seasoned, better geared, etc and just love taking dumps on the heads of newer, less experienced players. It's easier to move on to a more enjoyable activity than to try and change the toxic personality of some online sociopath, so when people get frustrated and quit, I applaud making a positive change that decreases ones stress level.

[Venjenz]

If you want to be a raid tank you have to have, or be able to develop, a pretty thick skin.

You first have to decide if the raid game reward outweighs the level of annoyance, stress and misery. Is that +5 increase to one item's iLvl worth having some psychotic fruitloop yelling at you for 90 minutes? For people who get the gear, clearly it is, but for folks like our beaten down SCH, maybe not.

[Stormbad]

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It sounds like in your experience, you are constantly treated unfairly in DF. I am genuinely surprised if your experience is as you say. I've done thousands of DF content along with all the people who I play with frequently and that horrible behavior is the exception and not the norm.

You state that DF 8 mans is where you are treated the worst by a "wildly overgeared DPS" then you do as they say. Are they giving suggestions and hints on how to do mechanics and you do as they say? Or are they unjustifiably harassing you simply because the group has failed the content?

[Alien_Gamer]

Yeah, you should feel bad. It never amazes me how s****y people are towards others in this game. And blaming it on excuses makes you look even worse.
You need to work on your awareness. I mean, to not even know what's gong on in your party and just blindly accept a vote kick like that? Pathetic.

The only silver lining is the lolDRG (who the healer was out DPSing btw) is the biggest stain overall.

You seem overly angry at this guy. Yeah he did wrong but he also recognized his mistake and apologized for it; he actually went out of his way to own up to it in a public place too! I think we need more people stepping up when they realize they messed up and learning from it instead of staying bad.

i honestly have no clue how to gauge healer, or really any non-tank performance being relatively new like...2 and a half months and only maining tank. without parsers its hard to tell even when constantly glancing at aggro bars because of aggro reducing abilities or things like overhealing..

I can understand why you'd think that but its not really true. One thing that helped me out a lot when I was learning to tank was actually playing the other classes. By playing the DPS I learned more about mechanics that tanks often get to avoid and how DPS can actually work against the tank when it comes to managing aggro. By playing healers I learned more about how to watch the whole party and not only how healing affects threat but also how playing bad as a tank can make life much harder on a healer. In both cases I learned more about their skills and how to watch for them, now when I tank I can look at their actions and the party display to have an overall idea of how good/bad the party is doing.

I'd encourage you to get one of each class type (ranged dps, melee dps, healer) up to 30 so you understand the basics of how they play.

[bounddreamer]

You first have to decide if the raid game reward outweighs the level of annoyance, stress and misery. Is that +5 increase to one item's iLvl worth having some psychotic fruitloop yelling at you for 90 minutes? For people who get the gear, clearly it is, but for folks like our beaten down SCH, maybe not.

My co-tank and i are pretty laid back for our progression raiding and farming.

Each person is going to have a different level of tolerance for stress, annoyance, and "misery." My tolerance level is very high (not merely my own assessment). Yours may not be.

So I'm not sure it's a matter of deciding it's worth it so much as recognizing aptitude and tolerance level, if that makes sense.

[Vidu]

I'm not sure if this really counts as DF, but I need to vent:

I was gathering, minding my own buisness when I get a tell - someone calling me "Vi" and asking for help with KoL. Apparently that person is, for some reason, on my friendslist and I sort of agree to run the dungeon with them, I actually like it (even after the horrible song-farming sessions me and a friend had in there...). What I dont like however is being called "Vi" or any short version of my already pretty short name - if you cant put in the effort to type that, I cant put in any effort for your sake, sorry mate. So I ask him to please not do that again - however he adresses me at "Vi" again once we loaded into the dungeon, I remind him a second time and he offers that I can use a short version of his name. Not the point, man. Not the freaking point.

I'm not so worked up about the name-thing though ofc - hes a paladin, I'm on my bard and he... how do I put that mildley... sucks. I'm tanking most of the dungeon because he cant aggro to safe my life - despite given advice multiple times. Instead hes great at standing around, doing nothing, not using his cooldowns and, my personal favorite: standing in AoEs. Since the healer is pretty bad aswell there are quite a few deaths. But finally, after 40 minutes (and a wipe to the second boss - tank standing in AoEs and not picking up adds) we reach the last boss.
I give an explantion in the chat - about how and where to tank the dragons etc. etc. I even mention that you have to dodge AoEs - and explain the shield. So, I've typed all of that... to hear him ask "So, what I should I do?" - maybe the stuff I explained a minute ago, how about that? I explain AGAIN, shorter this time - "tank first dragon-add on A" is still to complicated though and hitting Midgardsomr way more important though... so I end up tanking the dragon til 50% of its HP - thats the point when the paladin noticed that uups, he has to do something! Stepping into the shield is still to much to ask though (even after being called to do it again). Second dragon is to much aswell, so, you've guessed it: I'm doing it... by now I'm actually happy about it, because this way it will at least be tanked properly. Since the healer sucks aswell and basically doesnt heal me we actually owe our wipe-free victory here to max-potions from potd and second wind...

...and now I know again why I avoid running dungeons at all cost.

[yuyevonffx]

I am so sorry to hear that happened to you, fortunately that goon is in a very very small minority. Don't let one bad goober get your spirits down!