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  1. #9181
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    Bongaboi's Avatar
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    Kahori Harukawa
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    Coeurl
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Sastasha, take two. Alt account, was level 15 ACN. DPS. Had Topaz as my pet. Entire party disbanded. Forced to head back to the cue. FC that my alt was in steps in. Redid the run, tank tells me that Topaz is tanking pet, switch to Emerald.

    Woops. Looks like I know what pet to use on dungeons runs as ACN/SCH...
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  2. #9182
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    Rymm's Avatar
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    Rymmrael Bhaldraelwyn
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    Lamia
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Thanks for the replies guys! It sounds like they were just trying to maximize their rotations, squeezing more dps out of their cooldowns that were off the gcd, so I wont take it personally, lol. Probably just seemed like a lot since they were both doing it. And the dungeon it was in was Pharos Sirus, via roulette.
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  3. #9183
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    Ama_Hamada's Avatar
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    Ama Hamada
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilyth View Post
    OMG, I just... can't believe this just happened.

    Just came out of a Dun Scaith run as a SCH. I was a little unease to go in at first because we all know how that place is for healers, a nightmare. Still, I decided to join since it would give some light for my relic.
    First boss went out fine. Almost no deaths except for one single DPS who fell out of the ship. Since not many heals were required, I managed to DPS a lot on that boss.
    Second one, a couple of screw-ups here and there, but nothing too big. People only died to failed mechanics but everything went out smoothly. And then.... it happend. A DRG typed on the chat: "Hey SCH, you wanna try helping to heal?"

    I was honestly shocked by that. Nobody was dying cause of lack of heals. To be honest I felt really offended by that. Since I completely ignored him at first and continued to heal and dps, he followed a couple mins later with: "K then, I'll get the COMPETENT healer to do it XD" which I replied with "and a competent dps does more dps than me". And I said that cause the funniest part of the story is that I was actually outdps'ing that dragoon.

    After that, we got to Scathach and... that was a mess. Everyone died after her ultimate cause I believe.... failed dps check? My own alliance had everyone survive cause I crited a deplyed adlo (which was pretty cool). But even then, one of the other 2 alliances wiped and I had to res their healers... twice! And my own co-healer as well. I even used LB3 as the last person standing on our alliance and ressed everyone. But even that was not enough to salvage the run.

    And after the wipe, that same DRG wrote a final snarky comment: "You should've healed". And I was dismissed.

    I so out of words right now......

    I did my best to push dps AND keep everyone alive on that run. And a Damage Dealer who was doing less than me actually did that. I'm so shocked. I'm not even gonna try to report them nor anything since I know better that nothing is gonna come out of it....

    Omg... I feel so... violated

    I'm never gonna heal in that place again.
    I heal that place a lot and got kick abused once by a premade. I hope you reported it. I would also leave out references to how you know that. Regardless if someone is commenting on lack of healing, you need refute it or they are bound to kick you if they are going to put the blame on you no matter how weird the comments are. If you kindly explain what you are doing, the healing and raising the other healers, a smart person would back off at that point. However more likely he will harass you then try kick you (pass if premade) then report everyone that is on same server as the DRG for the kick abuse, and the DRG for the harassment. Lets make the game better by reporting people that break the ToS, I feel not enough people do.
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 05-03-2017 at 02:18 PM.

  4. #9184
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    LunaFaye's Avatar
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    Luna Faye
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    Leviathan
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    Weaver Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilyth View Post
    .
    It's always the healers fault, that is one thing you need to keep in mind, when playing healer.

    Tank doesn't pop a cooldown and dies -> Healers fault
    DPS stands in everything possible -> Healers fault
    DPS ignoring mechanics or failing dps check all together -> Healers fault

    Healer dps'ing and someone dies or party wipe -> Healers fault for not healing
    Healer heals and party wipes due to not meeting the dps check -> Healers fault for not dps'ing

    If healer have done both (dps & heal) and the party wipes or someone dies, it's still the healers fault because maybe you didn't wear the appropriate glamour for the instance you have joined.

    That's why a lot of healers go only with friends or heal only in raid environment with parties they know or used too.

    But one thing I would like to mention, statements as you've written in chat "I do more dps than you etc" is something you should stay away from. Because indirectly you're admitting of running a parser and that's against the ToS if these people report you. And they will if they have already a fit about them dying due to their own mistakes.

    It would be hard to talk yourself out of that, if a GM asks because since you phrased it that way, it's kinda what it is, you couldn't just say that the run was slow and you assumed it's the drg. Could have been the other dps too, if you didn't go by numbers.
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  5. #9185
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    Lilyth's Avatar
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    Lilyth Chan
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by LunaFaye View Post
    But one thing I would like to mention, statements as you've written in chat "I do more dps than you etc" is something you should stay away from. Because indirectly you're admitting of running a parser and that's against the ToS if these people report you. And they will if they have already a fit about them dying due to their own mistakes.

    It would be hard to talk yourself out of that, if a GM asks because since you phrased it that way, it's kinda what it is, you couldn't just say that the run was slow and you assumed it's the drg. Could have been the other dps too, if you didn't go by numbers.
    Ty for the reminder. But don't worry, that won't cause me trouble. There are other ways to assess, albeit not nearly as accurately, the dps of DPS in a party by only using tells in the game. And that's exactly what I did before saying that. So no worries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    I hope you reported it. I would also leave out references to how you know that. Regardless if someone is commenting on lack of healing, you need refute it or they are bound to kick you if they are going to put the blame on you no matter how weird the comments are. If you kindly explain what you are doing, the healing and raising the other healers, a smart person would back off at that point. However more likely he will harass you then try kick you (pass if premade) then report everyone that is on same server as the DRG for the kick abuse, and the DRG for the harassment. Lets make the game better by reporting people that break the ToS, I feel not enough people do.
    I was going to do that. After that final comment from the DPS, I was mid-way tiping my defense. How I LB3 ressed everyone, how I saved everyone with a deplyed adlo, how I ressed the other alliance's healers and how we wiped cause the DPS didn't kill the add before Full-Swing. But no. I was out of there before I could even defend myself.

    I could have said something ealier but I figured ignoring it would be my best option. =/
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    Last edited by Lilyth; 05-03-2017 at 02:33 PM.

  6. #9186
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    Ama_Hamada's Avatar
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    Ama Hamada
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by LunaFaye View Post
    It's always the healers fault, that is one thing you need to keep in mind, when playing healer.

    Tank doesn't pop a cooldown and dies -> Healers fault
    DPS stands in everything possible -> Healers faultDPS ignoring mechanics or failing dps check all together -> Healers fault

    Healer dps'ing and someone dies or party wipe -> Healers fault for not healing
    Healer heals and party wipes due to not meeting the dps check -> Healers fault for not dps'ing

    If healer have done both (dps & heal) and the party wipes or someone dies, it's still the healers fault because maybe you didn't wear the appropriate glamour for the instance you have joined.

    That's why a lot of healers go only with friends or heal only in raid environment with parties they know or used too.

    But one thing I would like to mention, statements as you've written in chat "I do more dps than you etc" is something you should stay away from. Because indirectly you're admitting of running a parser and that's against the ToS if these people report you. And they will if they have already a fit about them dying due to their own mistakes.

    It would be hard to talk yourself out of that, if a GM asks because since you phrased it that way, it's kinda what it is, you couldn't just say that the run was slow and you assumed it's the drg. Could have been the other dps too, if you didn't go by numbers.
    1. GMs do not interview you. There is no "talking out of"
    2. It is not directly admitting it.
    3. I am not convinced reporting someone off that would GMs look into praser use and if they really can see it.

    @lilyth my post and:
    If you are a healing and DPS, that enmity meter will not reflect your DPS well as it accounts hate for healing and DPS. This can make it common for healers that DPS be high on the emitiy list esp as a WHM using medica II and Regen. Also drg has abilities to lessen enmity I believe, not sure if it is used in best dps rotations though.
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  7. #9187
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    Lilyth Chan
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    @lilyth my post and:
    If you are a healing and DPS, that enmity meter will not reflect your DPS well as it accounts hate for healing and DPS. This can make it common for healers that DPS be high on the emitiy list esp as a WHM using medica II and Regen. Also drg has abilities to lessen enmity I believe, not sure if it is used in best dps rotations though.
    I know, dont worry. Like I said, it's not accurate but it's something. Also I had a good look at their aggro bar before I needed to use any healing, several minutes into the fight. They were still lower than mine. If at that point they were likely doing less dps than me, it's unlikely they would have caugh up at the point I said that. And it's not like they were spamming elusive jump so I'm confident my guess was right. And I never clearly stated I was talking about him or anything like you said. ^^
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  8. #9188
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    Rena Ryuugu
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    Coeurl
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    Just gonna say, I do worry about PotD leveling. Benefit of the doubt she/he was just tired or didn't care but a Dragoon who used no dots, no heavy thrust, no jumps.... =/ Kinda scary to see.
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  9. #9189
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    Gemina's Avatar
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Esp View Post
    Spot on, that's basically how Phase 2 is done xD

    Another good tip is marking the Tear the moment it arrives. It can be hard to miss for new folks who are running around trying to figure out what's happening.
    Thank you! And thanks for the tip.

    I think I am going to have to queue for this one specifically again. It's tough living this one down. Grrr!
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  10. #9190
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    Dragon_Sanders's Avatar
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    Dthe Thunder
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    Siren
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    A12 running like a mess.
    At the timegate phase I ran to a gate as usual and saw there was already a person waiting there. I thought that was a DPS, so I ran to other gates.
    But all the other gates had their DPS! I got very confused and ran back, saw the first person was still there, by the gate.
    I decided to enter, but that person entered before me! WTH happened? We had one more DPS?
    Then I found the truth----that person, waited by the gate and finally entered, was a healer!
    Then we wiped, due to lacking healing.
    When we asked that healer why taking the place of DPS, he said he'd waited long enough and no DPS went.
    ...Okay, okay, I was "LATE". A healer who always waits to be DPS is always right. I just hope next time there is not a non-DPS waiting so attentively to take my place!
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    Last edited by Dragon_Sanders; 05-03-2017 at 05:12 PM.

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