Should i stop taking crap from people and just start reporting?

[Serilda]

I was going to get annoyed at this post, but then I stopped because I saw your server, and realised why you take issue with the OPs actions. It is fascinating really, I didn't realise the JP community was so different in their approaches.

On the NA/EU servers, shout chat is used often: FC recruitment, hunt marks, open-to-the-community questions, party invitations, and idle chat in Idyllshire and Mor Dhona, it is extremely normal to see and is widely accepted.

I remember when I was 'auditioning' servers for my friends I tried out one of the EU servers and even before I had zoned in fully after the tutorial bit at the start I was overwhelmed by how much shout chat there was. Some people definitely benefit from that but I find it quite overwhelming and knew my friends definitely would too; I'm one of the more social people in my little group!

I came via WoW where there was a ton of shouting and I definitely found it a bit rude to be 'invited' to things via public broadcast rather than a more personal approach; XIV is worse in a way because you have people from dozens of different cultural backgrounds all playing together and what comes across as friendly/casual to one person sounds outright aggressive to others (even in cultures where English is the main language - the four letter c-word in the topic title is considered a profanity to a lot of native English speakers even though it's considered nothing of the sort in NA). I think that's why fights over trivial things seem to escalate so ridiculously when they're recounted on the forums :/

People are weird.

[Mizunoko]

The type of player that responds that way isn't going to change just because a GM slaps them on the wrist.

Some people are rude, it's just the way the world is, and you just have to suck it up and move on. If they had followed you around harassing you, or called you out by name on the forums to attack you that's one thing....but you got a salty remark. Just let it go.

This is sort of the equivalent to telling the teacher that a bully said a bad word to you. It's just not worth the effort or even the time it took to create this thread, in my opinion.

With that logic the next time a guy sucker punches me i should just walk away. No normally if someone hits you, you defend yourself and/or fight back, or even call the police. That is also the way the world works. The GM's and ToS are there for this very reason. Also the guy didn't simply just get salty. He clearly swore at me and broke the ToS idk how many people i have to explain this to. What he did was a CLEAR violation. There is no in-between or suck it up and move it on. I have every right to report someone for breaking the games rules and harassing me.

[Reinha]

It's a cultural thing, and I know it's a bit weird as described but I personally prefer it.

Thanks for clarifying. So you are basically allowed to help others but you aren't allowed to ask for help in return and should use PF also for something other than finding parties. Each to their own I guess.

Something to consider though: the OP is not on a JP realm. Getting offended by OP's request is not normal on NA/EU realms, so isn't the offended person then in the wrong for not accepting the culture he/she is surrounded by? I can be blacklisted on JP realms for asking if anyone has seen the B rank and I find that stupid, but that doesn't justify me lashing out at people who disagree with me. The same should apply in reverse. If someone dislikes seeing certain /shouts on NA/EU realms for cultural reasons then they should either keep their profanities to themselves or hop to a different realm.

[Mizunoko]

My perspective is the salty one here was the topic creator. If you are wanting a FATE but aren't camping it anywhere close enough to actually get to it, that's on you.

And, speaking from the other end of things, when someone "confronts" me about not holding a FATE, hunt mob, etc., it's never in a "nice manner." The fact that you "confronted" them at all is kind of ridiculous. Just take the loss and get it next time.

Coming on the forum and making a topic like this is just a "was I wrong?" and a topic looking for confirmation and reassurance.

Every single person like you who says nothing but negative things instantly goes to the whole FATE situation when its obvious that's not what this post is ACTUALLY about. All of the neutral or positive replies will tell you that this was about reporting someone for harassing and swearing at me, not about me being upset about the FATE thing. It's like you guys don't know how to make a decent argument or counter-point so you just start talking about the context instead of the actual point and question itself. I mean come on if you cant think up a good counter because you don't see things my way then don't start arguing about something that was irrelevant and just for context.

[Darkstride]

With that logic the next time a guy sucker punches me i should just walk away. No normally if someone hits you, you defend yourself and/or fight back, or even call the police. That is also the way the world works. The GM's and ToS are there for this very reason. Also the guy didn't simply just get salty. He clearly swore at me and broke the ToS idk how many people i have to explain this to. What he did was a CLEAR violation. There is no in-between or suck it up and move it on. I have every right to report someone for breaking the games rules and harassing me.

There's a difference someone swearing at you and punching you in the face. One is worth reporting, the other is not. You can't compare real life physical violence to online swearing.....

If you're just going to disagree with everyone responding and report people anyway, then what is the point in this thread? Do what you want to do. If you think it's worth reporting every single person that swears, then go ahead, that's your business to do so.

You're asking if it is worth it to report someone for responding to you with a swear, and I do not think it is. As I stated before, if you were being continuously harassed then that is a different story because you aren't given the opportunity to move on from the situation.

[Mizunoko]

There's a difference someone swearing at you and punching you in the face. One is worth reporting, the other is not. You can't compare real life physical violence to online swearing.....

Are you serious? you JUST used a real life situation about telling on a bully to a teacher for swearing. Is that not a different and real life situation? Are you seriously invalidating your own earlier post and turning into a hypocrite simply for the sake of trying to counter my view? At-least try to make a valid point and not contradict yourself.........just wow. physical violence and words can BOTH hurt someone and can BOTH get you in trouble. Also i don't disagree with everyone on this thread so i have no clue where you are getting that from. As for the point in this thread, well it has the same point as any other thread here....conversation, but i'm assuming you don't know what a normal conversation is because your post is nothing but a directed dis at me as if i was some wuss for telling on a bully to a teacher....the thing is though.........whats wrong with telling on someone for doing something wrong? Obviously there isn't anything wrong with it, otherwise why would the game have rules saying not to swear at and harass others? and why would it have a system in place to allow to report someone for such things? I mean if what your saying is correct then by golly we should tell SE we dont need the report a player for harassment system anymore .

[Darkstride]

Are you serious? you JUST used a real life situation about telling on a bully to a teacher for swearing. Is that not a different and real life situation? Are you seriously invalidating your own earlier post and turning into a hypocrite simply for the sake of trying to counter my view? At-least try to make a valid point and not contradict yourself.........just wow. Also i don't disagree with everyone on this thread so i have no clue where you are getting that from. As for the point in this thread, well it has the same point as any other thread here....conversation.

I used a similar situation as comparison. Tattling on a bully for swearing. You want to report people to GMs for swearing at you.

I said that you shouldn't compare in-game swearing to real-life physical violence such as being sucker punched, as you stated. You would go to the police to report being physically assaulted, but you wouldn't do that if someone just swore at you, would you?

Anyway, you seem to already have your mind made up on what you think should be done in this scenario, so best of luck to you I hope it works out.

[Mizunoko]

I used a similar situation as comparison. Tattling on a bully for swearing. You want to report people to GMs for swearing at you.

I said that you shouldn't compare in-game swearing to real-life physical violence such as being sucker punched, as you stated. You would go to the police to report being physically assaulted, but you wouldn't do that if someone just swore at you, would you?

Anyway, you seem to already have your mind made up on what you think should be done in this scenario, so best of luck to you I hope it works out.

GM's are not police, and not in the game to prevent physical violence they are their to prevent harassment and swearing. You are using a situation involving school irl when this ISN'T school. So i can just as easily still tell you they are different things. Reporting people for harassment and vulgar language is part of the actual in game system because SE takes that stuff seriously. Whether you think its not serious or a wussy thing to do doesn't even matter because your opinion isnt what SE goes by.

[Serilda]

Getting offended by OP's request is not normal on NA/EU realms, so isn't the offended person then in the wrong for not accepting the culture he/she is surrounded by?

Definitely, but in this particular case he has no idea if these three random strangers are from his culture or not since NA/EU servers cover a colossal number of different regions. He has no idea if he's talking to someone who thinks 'crap' is a profanity due to their country and responds in kind (I'm making a massive leap here for argument's sake as he didn't ever mention what he actually said in the confrontation, but using the thread title for the purpose of comparison). There are other strong words I don't consider profanities at all that would stress some NA players out for their religious nature, for example. Strong language is a minefield...

There are vast real-world rifts even between different 'NA' or 'EU' regions, which are intended to encompass all players outside of the tiny exceptions in JP/KR/CN; people from older generations react very differently to confrontations and shouting compared to younger players. I don't think that all servers should have the same local atmosphere that mine does - the outgoing atmosphere of a big English-majority server is just as good, only different; you certainly get a feel for the 'regular' players and feel a sense of community with that kind of background noise. But if a cantankerous person found him rude for shouting in the first place, then ruder still for confronting someone for just playing the game and not going out of their way to help, I can see why they might lash out in what they thought was a similar tone.

Mizunoko: I don't think anyone strongly disagrees with your idea of reporting someone who was nasty to you. That's why the report feature exists. It's more that there's not really anything to discuss about it; only you know exactly what was said, and it wouldn't be appropriate for staff to give you background information about other players' accounts. That leads to a situation where some 'reporters' start bossing people around and using reports as a threat, which makes the toxicity even worse - the bullies end up getting vengeful even if it means losing their accounts. Nobody wins. It's best to report them quietly, blacklist them from your life and put the experience behind you. If they start getting a lot of reports on their history it will look bad for them. If you did absolutely nothing wrong and didn't act insensitively as I suggested may have been the case, you probably just ran into someone with a bad attittude; if it happens often, then maybe you should look within to see whether you're unintentionally winding people up because from my experience deliberate bad attitudes are a tiny minority. It could just be that the way you're confronting people is escalating a situation rather than achieving your actual goal, which was simply to figure out what happened, right?

[Mizunoko]

Definitely, but in this particular case he has no idea if these three random strangers are from his culture or not since NA/EU servers cover a colossal number of different regions. He has no idea if he's talking to someone who thinks 'crap' is a profanity due to their country and responds in kind (I'm making a massive leap here for argument's sake as he didn't ever mention what he actually said in the confrontation, but using the thread title for the purpose of comparison). There are other strong words I don't consider profanities at all that would stress some NA players out for their religious nature, for example. Strong language is a minefield...

There are vast real-world rifts even between different 'NA' or 'EU' regions, which are intended to encompass all players outside of the tiny exceptions in JP/KR/CN; people from older generations react very differently to confrontations and shouting compared to younger players. I don't think that all servers should have the same local atmosphere that mine does - the outgoing atmosphere of a big English-majority server is just as good, only different; you certainly get a feel for the 'regular' players and feel a sense of community with that kind of background noise. But if a cantankerous person found him rude for shouting in the first place, then ruder still for confronting someone for just playing the game and not going out of their way to help, I can see why they might lash out in what they thought was a similar tone.

Mizunoko: I don't think anyone strongly disagrees with your idea of reporting someone who was nasty to you. That's why the report feature exists. It's more that there's not really anything to discuss about it; only you know exactly what was said, and it wouldn't be appropriate for staff to give you background information about other players' accounts. That leads to a situation where some 'reporters' start bossing people around and using reports as a threat, which makes the toxicity even worse - the bullies end up getting vengeful even if it means losing their accounts. Nobody wins. It's best to report them quietly, blacklist them from your life and put the experience behind you. If they start getting a lot of reports on their history it will look bad for them. If you did absolutely nothing wrong and didn't act insensitively as I suggested may have been the case, you probably just ran into someone with a bad attittude; if it happens often, then maybe you should look within to see whether you're unintentionally winding people up because from my experience deliberate bad attitudes are a tiny minority. It could just be that the way you're confronting people is escalating a situation rather than achieving your actual goal, which was simply to figure out what happened, right?

Regardless of what the start of what you're saying says. Culture is not an excuse for breaking the rules and taking things too far by swearing and harassing. Also if this were the case and they thought shouts like that were rude.......well buddy there's going to be a LOT of rude shouts they are going to be seeing and if they start treating people like crap because of that they will be getting reported alot im sure. Because on NA servers we don't work that way.